If a minor TV star has her career killed because of underage drinking, yet so many huge stars have done so much worse and their careers are even bolstered, then morality is not the reason for the minor TV star. It's dishonest to pretend the reasoning is about something like underage drinking lol.
People don't care about the addictive/destructive nature of alcohol and protecting the youth. They cared about this particular person losing her status. If they cared about alcohol consumption, why aren't so many more celebrities cancelled?
Yes, in the United States we let people who do children's programming get away with all kinds of shit. I think almost every single guy who has ever voiced Elmo is a pedophile.
We SHOULDN'T be permitting this.
Because we SHOULD be doing what Japan does, and ensuring that if people want to make shows for kids that they aren't fucked up bad influences.
I think expecting someone to cater their personal life to their screen persona is stupid. Obviously, some offenses are greater than others, underage drinking being mild at best.
Was she drinking in front of the kids? Was she telling the kids to drink? Where did her bad influence come into play?
Because if this is something we should take seriously, then we should have standards of what specifically is not allowed.
So your claim then is that, for a public figure, they can have absolutely zero influence of children unless an act is done directly in front of them? Sorry but that doesn't hold water either.
I agree! This claim doesn't hold water. Phew, I sure am glad I didn't say that, nor do I believe it! Would be pretty stupid to think that. My questions are asking about what exactly she did wrong. Just trying to establish the facts.
If a woman is a children's presenter on TV, and every public image of her is well presented to children, but in her private life she drinks underage and gossip channels catch wind and start spreading the news, is she a bad influence, or is the media for spreading the allegations? This is why I asked the questions that I asked.
They do. That's the point.
Great! I'm asking what those standards are.
Was she drinking in front of the kids? Was she telling the kids to drink? Where did her bad influence come into play?
You won't see disagreement from me that other celebrities get away with worse, but the solution isn't to just let go of different infractions because of whataboutism. That'll just end up with the bar lowered further everytime instead of people fixing the big stuff and then eventually getting back around to it.
morality
The reasons I listed weren't moral, they were physical developmental problems with allowing minors to drink period. Which is why people get so up in arms about it, even though it could be considered relatively better than stuff they allow.
People don't care
I do, so I'll support this result even if the people along side me have less than altruistic intents for standing with me on it. The end result is the same.
If they cared about alcohol consumption, why aren't so many more celebrities cancelled?
Because adults are allowed to be retarded, that's part of the difference between being an adult and a minor, people no longer being able to tell you what to do even if its for your own good. Minors are not, because we've made the consensus that the rough age we allow them to do all sorts of retarded shit is about the time they have mostly shed the development and trappings of a teenager generally.
If we simply stop enforcing that, then what is the purpose of it at all? Should we just let teens drink themselves stupid and all of society has to deal with the consequences of that?
If a minor TV star has her career killed because of underage drinking, yet so many huge stars have done so much worse and their careers are even bolstered, then morality is not the reason for the minor TV star. It's dishonest to pretend the reasoning is about something like underage drinking lol.
People don't care about the addictive/destructive nature of alcohol and protecting the youth. They cared about this particular person losing her status. If they cared about alcohol consumption, why aren't so many more celebrities cancelled?
You have your priorities mixed up imo.
Yes, in the United States we let people who do children's programming get away with all kinds of shit. I think almost every single guy who has ever voiced Elmo is a pedophile.
We SHOULDN'T be permitting this.
Because we SHOULD be doing what Japan does, and ensuring that if people want to make shows for kids that they aren't fucked up bad influences.
2 guys have voiced Elmo and one is a pedophile.
I think expecting someone to cater their personal life to their screen persona is stupid. Obviously, some offenses are greater than others, underage drinking being mild at best.
Was she drinking in front of the kids? Was she telling the kids to drink? Where did her bad influence come into play?
Because if this is something we should take seriously, then we should have standards of what specifically is not allowed.
The Japanese don't.
So your claim then is that, for a public figure, they can have absolutely zero influence of children unless an act is done directly in front of them?
Sorry but that doesn't hold water either. The concepts of reputation and disgrace are not imaginary.
They do. That's the point.
I agree! This claim doesn't hold water. Phew, I sure am glad I didn't say that, nor do I believe it! Would be pretty stupid to think that. My questions are asking about what exactly she did wrong. Just trying to establish the facts.
If a woman is a children's presenter on TV, and every public image of her is well presented to children, but in her private life she drinks underage and gossip channels catch wind and start spreading the news, is she a bad influence, or is the media for spreading the allegations? This is why I asked the questions that I asked.
Great! I'm asking what those standards are.
Was she drinking in front of the kids? Was she telling the kids to drink? Where did her bad influence come into play?
You won't see disagreement from me that other celebrities get away with worse, but the solution isn't to just let go of different infractions because of whataboutism. That'll just end up with the bar lowered further everytime instead of people fixing the big stuff and then eventually getting back around to it.
The reasons I listed weren't moral, they were physical developmental problems with allowing minors to drink period. Which is why people get so up in arms about it, even though it could be considered relatively better than stuff they allow.
I do, so I'll support this result even if the people along side me have less than altruistic intents for standing with me on it. The end result is the same.
Because adults are allowed to be retarded, that's part of the difference between being an adult and a minor, people no longer being able to tell you what to do even if its for your own good. Minors are not, because we've made the consensus that the rough age we allow them to do all sorts of retarded shit is about the time they have mostly shed the development and trappings of a teenager generally.
If we simply stop enforcing that, then what is the purpose of it at all? Should we just let teens drink themselves stupid and all of society has to deal with the consequences of that?