Tucker posed this hypothetical: "What if there was a candidate who wanted to put the owners of Mindgeek [Pornhub's parent company] in prison? Would younger Americans support that?" Nick's answer was yes.
Almost everyone here has agreed at this point that age verification laws are meant to be an attack on the freedom of the internet, and that any effect on porn is beside the point. But for people who actually support the stated intent of the laws, it seems like legislating against the porn suppliers may be a way to effectively attack the industry without opening up another avenue of control.
What would this look like? In my opinion, fines and jail time for producers in the US and foreign websites that allow access to the US. As we've seen with social media in Europe, government pressure is enough to make companies change course.
The natural objection is that a VPN is really easy to use. That's true, but it's a barrier that would most likely severely curtail the usage of porn in pubescent children. The effect still might be substantial on adults as well. Also, it would effectively destroy the Onlyfans market since only a few determined women are going to jump through hoops to do illegal amateur porn for some company in Bulgaria.
Another objection I've seen is that women are the root cause of the breakdown of relationships, and that men need an outlet in porn to cope with that. The first part is obviously true but I don't think the second part follows. If massive numbers of young men are coping with the feminization of society through porn, that means it's a control mechanism to prevent them from getting angry enough to revolt. If we're going to make any progress against women's rights, men need to feel an acute sense of what they are missing.
There is also the possibility of knock-on effects on anime, movies, TV, etc. The only thing I really care about there is anime, but I think the collateral damage could be effectively controlled.
Porn and prostitution have existed for as long as humanity created civilisations. We have cave drawings of erotic art and there's a reason prostitution is called the oldest profession.
The issue is the INDULGENCE amount of it. We live in a world of excess from sex, food and positive reinforcement even when your ideas are shit.
Best method is to at least price the use of real people in porn out and target those makers as knowing that industry, you can easily get them on something illegal. But to really get a handle on it, you'd need the return of faith and the concept that sin is bad after decades of being repeatedly told sin isn't bad, you're justified seeking your own gratification no matter what, even if it's harmful to you.
Never going to happen unless you severely compromise the entire web to prevent people sharing things, and that will come at the cost of everything else that isn't porn being affected. Doing something about parents who do fuck all about stopping their kids accessing things needs looked at. If parents can be charged with accessory to crime they can also be charged with negligence if and when the kids access things they shouldn't be.
i mean, alcohol being illegal to give to minors has probably prevented a lot of early addictions/problems even though it can't stop someone sharing a beer bottle with a minor. if you plug a bleeding wound and some still leaks out between your fingers you don't go "well, looks like i'm not stopping it, may as well not try" you just accept that you can only help things 90% instead of 100%. and 90% is a fuck of a lot more than 10%.
that being said, for porn, this just means getting the satanic mindgeek types who literally do it as a form of societal destruction in prison or in shallow graves. there is no reason not to criminalize people outright admitting they want to harm society.
Just because they have existed, and i would argue against porn existing because cave drawings have little in common with modern porn, still doesn't mean we have to accept them.
Murder existed since forever too.
Ok, and without a draconian, soulless hell hold, how do you stop ALL murder?
This is the risk we see with porn, if approached in the wrong way to reduce and stop it's influence, you may give up something you CAN'T get back without even worse sacrifice.
You're being utterly obtuse. In the world as it is, to use your murder metaphor, murder isn't even fucking illegal.
"WE cAnT sToP aLL pORn" fuck off. Start by making it actually a crime to be a digital pimp. Push the fucking switch
Actually your being obtuse as my point was being about the APPROACH to lessen it's influence and pull.
Murder, you employ wide range self defence excuses and harsh penalties depending on how premeditated it was (which as we see thanks to some activist judges ISN'T being done based on ideology).
With porn, best going after the industry makers as they usually have SOME kind of illegal activity on the side, maybe add some more hoops to monetise porn whether done as a studio or amateur if it involves real people and increasing the age you can do porn to 25 at least so they can't do this 'I'm now legal!' Crap with people WAITING for them to turn 18.
Just criminalising it will be COMPLETELY ineffective, as much as the UK's online safety act as THAT was touted to help stop kids seeing adult material...
Never understood that - how can you trade money or goods for sex unless there is an older profession that created those goods?
Because the spoils of hunting and gathering can be traded for sex, so there is no need for money or goods to be involved.
Then 'hunter' and 'gatherer' aren't occupations? It relies on a very narrow definition of the world 'occupation', being a wage slave and all.
Are animals "professionals" for managing to keep themselves alive then?
In the sense that prostitution is a "paid" occupation. Prostitutes don't produce anything, they just exchange "services" for goods.