The thing is that even halfway through the sentence I knew what the 'joke' was. It's older than I am, about how you shouldn't make assumptions.
I think off the top of my head was.
A child is in an accident. The father is in a coma next to the child. The doctor comes in and says, I can't operate on this child, he's my son. How is this possible?
And then you have to think it's something like adoptions or whatever, and then they go, The doctor is his mother, because women can be doctors too.
So it's basically someone made a poorly, but EXTREMELY curated statement and the LLM responded with what it assumed was a moron trying to make the old joke and ignored most of what was said instead.
If we're being pedantic, LLM's are AI just as NPC's in a game are AI.
The artificial in Artificial Intelligence doesn't refer to it not being organic, but that the intelligence is artificial as in fake. In other words, AI refers to a program that attempts to pass of as sentient without it being so.
People conflate AI with sci-fi ideas of electronic-based sentience, but that's not what the term was originally. AI was co-opted by marketing and the definition diluted.
That’s why sci-fi uses “hard AI” and “soft AI” to delineate them, but that’s too hard for the average moron (read: anyone in the media) to understand, so no one understands what they’re being told anymore. On purpose.
Not really. Most NPCs in games are severely limited to what they can reply with. There might be dialogue trees based off other factors but at the end of the day they will never come up with brand new responses that aren't added to them in an update.
The "AI" of today use a pre-set, and often heavily curated and censored now, dataset that it then creates a response from. The answers aren't so pre-written.
My point is that the term AI originally meant a non-sentient program designed to give the appearance of sentience. By that definition, game NPCs are AI, and so is ChatGPT, at least when it’s not insisting it’s non-sentient.
What you're talking about is the generation (or confabulation) of "new things", that are a staple of neural networks. That is indeed what today's popular use of AI is.
I was arguing from the perspective of the original definition. I don't like how marketing perverted the term in popular culture. As a previous commenter said: language is important.
Your conclusion is objectively false, no matter what your feelings say. An LLM is a word frequency prediction calculator. That’s all. It doesn’t “understand” anything.
Do you have success with AI doing actual real work? Every time I try the output is pure shit. Maybe it's me, and I'm not good at prompting it, but the best thing I've been able to do is help refine a block of text that I already wrote to sound slightly better.
For doing non work or fluff (See Elon prompting Grok for cats riding a bicycle) it does some pretty impressive things.
Overall I feel like AI is being pushed (shoved down my throat) rather than me pulling and finding it useful. Was thinking of making a post about this to see if others feel similarly.
I can see it reasonably making 99% of jobs redundant. But I think you nailed it, creatives who know how to use AI will see incredibly accelerated workflows with minimal overhead. It's people like writing editors and generic code monkeys or data-handlers who will become obsolete.
Yes. I have successfully had it write small utility scripts in python, php, auto hot key, and ffmpeg. I have also used it to debug other people's python, which saved a lot of headache because I'm not really familiar with python.
In the last windows update, the samba share from my linux server was no longer accessible in windows. I did my usual, searching stack overflow and reddit posts, couldn't find anything. Eventually just asked chat gpt and had it fixed in minutes. It understood the problem, it knew the samba config format, it knew windows command line shit to test it, it answered my questions, it commiserated with me about how bullshit microsoft is. We're cooked man. This isn't going away.
I was curious and wanted to ask chatgpt what it thought.
TL;DR : People who say LLMs aren’t AI often do so because they associate "real" AI with consciousness, reasoning, autonomy, or physical embodiment — things LLMs lack. But others argue that if a system can perform intelligent tasks (like summarizing, translating, or solving problems), then it qualifies as AI, regardless of how it works internally.
While LLMs like ChatGPT don’t exhibit "consciousness" or independent reasoning in the traditional sense, they fit within most definitions of AI because they can perform tasks that require patterns, generalization, learning, and problem-solving — core hallmarks of artificial intelligence.
It’s important to note that AI doesn’t need to be conscious to be considered “intelligent.” If a system can simulate or perform behaviors typically associated with intelligence, it’s still artificial intelligence.
So in short: LLMs are AI because they embody key AI principles like learning from data, solving problems, adapting to context, and performing intelligent tasks. It’s just a different kind of AI that’s all about language and text-based reasoning.
I always find it interesting how the prompt is always provoking you to think, maybe its a way to help train the model? I also want to point out again, if the machine is trained off the internet, its kinda of part of the collective unconscious, in a way. The universe itself becoming aware. Not sure how to explain it.
Popped that into old chatgpt and got the (UNUSUAL ACTIVITY DETECTED), I really find it doesnt like going to deep lmao. I dont think im going to make an account either. Wanted to experiment with a local llm but godamn facebook wont let me have access to llama lmao. What a world.
Also, watching all the terminator movies, and I think in the second one, or it could have been the first. The first being made in 1984 and the second being made in 1991. Skynet is a LLM, its even mentioned in a scene.
There is something genuinely fucking terrifying about the thoughts of robot weapons doing whatever they fuck they can, that includes by learning, to destroy you.
It doesn't solve problems. It just repeats known solutions. Ask it to solve something which has not been demonstrated to it and it will be unable to achieve anything.
So, by it's own terms, it fails to even be low level AI.
LLMs are not AI. They don't think and can't understand. All they can do is select the most statistically probable answer.
as opposed to most humans, who are known to think things through and not alway go for the easiest answer?
The thing is that even halfway through the sentence I knew what the 'joke' was. It's older than I am, about how you shouldn't make assumptions.
I think off the top of my head was.
A child is in an accident. The father is in a coma next to the child. The doctor comes in and says, I can't operate on this child, he's my son. How is this possible?
And then you have to think it's something like adoptions or whatever, and then they go, The doctor is his mother, because women can be doctors too.
So it's basically someone made a poorly, but EXTREMELY curated statement and the LLM responded with what it assumed was a moron trying to make the old joke and ignored most of what was said instead.
Well, no “AI” is AI. Language is important, but no one cares anymore.
If we're being pedantic, LLM's are AI just as NPC's in a game are AI.
The artificial in Artificial Intelligence doesn't refer to it not being organic, but that the intelligence is artificial as in fake. In other words, AI refers to a program that attempts to pass of as sentient without it being so.
People conflate AI with sci-fi ideas of electronic-based sentience, but that's not what the term was originally. AI was co-opted by marketing and the definition diluted.
That’s why sci-fi uses “hard AI” and “soft AI” to delineate them, but that’s too hard for the average moron (read: anyone in the media) to understand, so no one understands what they’re being told anymore. On purpose.
Not really. Most NPCs in games are severely limited to what they can reply with. There might be dialogue trees based off other factors but at the end of the day they will never come up with brand new responses that aren't added to them in an update.
The "AI" of today use a pre-set, and often heavily curated and censored now, dataset that it then creates a response from. The answers aren't so pre-written.
I would say modern LLM still have some semblance of a decision tree it just deeper and wider.
My point is that the term AI originally meant a non-sentient program designed to give the appearance of sentience. By that definition, game NPCs are AI, and so is ChatGPT, at least when it’s not insisting it’s non-sentient.
What you're talking about is the generation (or confabulation) of "new things", that are a staple of neural networks. That is indeed what today's popular use of AI is.
I was arguing from the perspective of the original definition. I don't like how marketing perverted the term in popular culture. As a previous commenter said: language is important.
The only way someone could cope this hard is if they haven't used any AI for the last 3 years.
Translation: “I believe anything the media tells me simply because they told me so.”
Your next line is “I will campaign for human rights for algorithms within the next five years.”
I reached my conclusion by going to the website and using the product myself. It's free. It clearly understands things and can produce useful results.
Your conclusion is objectively false, no matter what your feelings say. An LLM is a word frequency prediction calculator. That’s all. It doesn’t “understand” anything.
Do you have success with AI doing actual real work? Every time I try the output is pure shit. Maybe it's me, and I'm not good at prompting it, but the best thing I've been able to do is help refine a block of text that I already wrote to sound slightly better.
For doing non work or fluff (See Elon prompting Grok for cats riding a bicycle) it does some pretty impressive things.
Overall I feel like AI is being pushed (shoved down my throat) rather than me pulling and finding it useful. Was thinking of making a post about this to see if others feel similarly.
I can see it reasonably making 99% of jobs redundant. But I think you nailed it, creatives who know how to use AI will see incredibly accelerated workflows with minimal overhead. It's people like writing editors and generic code monkeys or data-handlers who will become obsolete.
Yes. I have successfully had it write small utility scripts in python, php, auto hot key, and ffmpeg. I have also used it to debug other people's python, which saved a lot of headache because I'm not really familiar with python.
In the last windows update, the samba share from my linux server was no longer accessible in windows. I did my usual, searching stack overflow and reddit posts, couldn't find anything. Eventually just asked chat gpt and had it fixed in minutes. It understood the problem, it knew the samba config format, it knew windows command line shit to test it, it answered my questions, it commiserated with me about how bullshit microsoft is. We're cooked man. This isn't going away.
I was curious and wanted to ask chatgpt what it thought.
I always find it interesting how the prompt is always provoking you to think, maybe its a way to help train the model? I also want to point out again, if the machine is trained off the internet, its kinda of part of the collective unconscious, in a way. The universe itself becoming aware. Not sure how to explain it.
Popped that into old chatgpt and got the (UNUSUAL ACTIVITY DETECTED), I really find it doesnt like going to deep lmao. I dont think im going to make an account either. Wanted to experiment with a local llm but godamn facebook wont let me have access to llama lmao. What a world.
Also, watching all the terminator movies, and I think in the second one, or it could have been the first. The first being made in 1984 and the second being made in 1991. Skynet is a LLM, its even mentioned in a scene.
There is something genuinely fucking terrifying about the thoughts of robot weapons doing whatever they fuck they can, that includes by learning, to destroy you.
It doesn't solve problems. It just repeats known solutions. Ask it to solve something which has not been demonstrated to it and it will be unable to achieve anything.
So, by it's own terms, it fails to even be low level AI.