People repeat that all the time, that they've served their debt to society.
No they haven't. What have they done? Society is in the red to pay for their incarceration, and they've done nothing to contribute back. It's only now that they are free that they can even start paying that debt. 'Paid his debt' is just a mantra pushed by jail-lovers afraid of a bit of actual justice.
The problem is that "reform" at a certain level is impossible. A person who makes impulsive, stupid decisions will always be a person who makes impulsive, stupid decisions.
You might learn to avoid putting yourself in certain types of situations where your negative traits can compound themselves to catastrophe (e.g. impulsivity + drugs). As people age they tend to learn how to manage their worst tendencies. But your nature is basically unchangeable and always at risk of emerging without controlled conditions.
the punishment for nearly all felonies should be (and used to be) death. We used to kill people for stealing a horse, worth around 500$ in today's money.
Imagine a world that liquidated all car thieves. Instant 1000% improvement with zero downside.
"except as punishment for a crime"
many states (funnily enough, most of the blue ones) make forced labor involuntary for inmates. You can choose to work for pennies a day, or live in 'the hole' with no human interactions (the worst long term torture possible to humans)
Monetarily, then. You may work in prison for wages to offset your costs, and/or your wages upon release will be garnisheed. If you do not pay promptly, as established in precedent case law with family court and spousal support, back to jail you go. It is not forced servitude, somehow, according to lawyers.
What do they think? Generally, they don't think. Below a certain IQ, people constantly live in the now with no understanding of the ideas of past or future. So they straight up don't get why we're concerned with their record, yet another reason they shouldn't be on the same continents as us.
"having a record does not define you or your character"
what do they think it does then?
Maybe not? But lying about your record DOES define your character, that's for sure.
well, ideally serving time should be considered as you having served your sentence to society
In reality however leopards usually don't change their spots
People repeat that all the time, that they've served their debt to society.
No they haven't. What have they done? Society is in the red to pay for their incarceration, and they've done nothing to contribute back. It's only now that they are free that they can even start paying that debt. 'Paid his debt' is just a mantra pushed by jail-lovers afraid of a bit of actual justice.
The problem is that "reform" at a certain level is impossible. A person who makes impulsive, stupid decisions will always be a person who makes impulsive, stupid decisions.
You might learn to avoid putting yourself in certain types of situations where your negative traits can compound themselves to catastrophe (e.g. impulsivity + drugs). As people age they tend to learn how to manage their worst tendencies. But your nature is basically unchangeable and always at risk of emerging without controlled conditions.
the punishment for nearly all felonies should be (and used to be) death. We used to kill people for stealing a horse, worth around 500$ in today's money.
Imagine a world that liquidated all car thieves. Instant 1000% improvement with zero downside.
how do you want them to repay it. Keep in mind forced servitude is not allowed by law
If we're talking US, there's an exception that applies, funnily enough.
"except as punishment for a crime" many states (funnily enough, most of the blue ones) make forced labor involuntary for inmates. You can choose to work for pennies a day, or live in 'the hole' with no human interactions (the worst long term torture possible to humans)
Monetarily, then. You may work in prison for wages to offset your costs, and/or your wages upon release will be garnisheed. If you do not pay promptly, as established in precedent case law with family court and spousal support, back to jail you go. It is not forced servitude, somehow, according to lawyers.
What do they think? Generally, they don't think. Below a certain IQ, people constantly live in the now with no understanding of the ideas of past or future. So they straight up don't get why we're concerned with their record, yet another reason they shouldn't be on the same continents as us.
Also the left thinks you should be nice to criminals because they are all criminals
Not working to get it expunged does define your character though.