I mean it's not entirely untrue, wimples also looked like that and were commonplace for medieval british women, and they were worn predominantly for religious modesty reasons.
The real question is why they're trying to relate to modern British by invoking their medieval history, when another key point of medieval history is Britain and Muslim nations regularly engaging in kill on sight warfare because of their intense incompatibility.
yeah like the muslims want to talk about the olden day traditionalist Christian cultures that covered up the woman's head in a similar way that muslim women do , while not bringing up the fact that these traditionalist Christians will also be expeling all non Christians from the land because that's what traditional Christians also did in the olden days.
She calls it a hijab. Its not like headcoverings were unknown to europeans, but for the sake of not being retarded, shes pretty much calling it a hijab
I have no idea why this is apparently a hard concept to get
Well if you do want an idea probably the best place to start is examining why you think the name is somehow more important than the physical form and intent of the garb.
Foreign people use foreign words, shocking. But going "Haha, no we didn't drink l'eau, we drank water" is an embarrassing way to argue back. Tighten up that rhetoric if you don't want to make their evangelists look better instead of worse like you should.
Even if you want to compare the intent, its completely different, the same way a nun habit is already different. Youre not being intelligent by going oh yeah theyre both head coverings or religious headcoverings. Everyone knows that. Youre just coming off as pretentiously
You say that they're completely different, but in what ways? They're both female head coverings worn because showing your hair was considered immodest for religious reasons.
Why not point out those differences instead of "foreign word bad!" and giving away an own goal to the invaders claiming people who oppose them are just ignorant racists with no real arguments? It doesn't matter too much when you're preaching to the choir here, but if you ever intend to actually influence public opinion in the wild, saying dumb stuff like that will only make them more sympathetic to centrist normies with naive bleeding hearts.
This is what i meant by being pretentious. Who wears habits. Who wears hijabs. What does the quran say about wearing the hijab and what does the bible say about the habit? Its not even close to similar and having someone pretend it is just makes me think theyre retarded
Even the argument that i should have counter arguments for opinions in the wild is retarded. Am i in the wild now? You yourself admit its pretty much preaching to the choir here then why are you being obtusely retarded? Just to go but achually huh durr? Whats that if not pretentious
Y'know the "preaching to the choir" phrase is basically shorthand for wasting time right? And that's the best case scenario.You're not harming the cause because everyone here is on the same page already, if it was anywhere else it'd be actively counterproductive. Laziness is habit forming, so I assume if you do it here you're going to do it elsewhere.
I actually care about eventually fixing this, so either I suggest corrections, or again the best case scenario is hoping you just never try to talk to normies like that if you're just going to half ass it with lazy gotchas. It's not pretentious to have an ideal and to stick to it instead of folding the first time someone bitches about you caring too much like an insecure teenager, it's just having principles.
To answer your rhetorical that you apparently thought were self evident but really aren't: Who wore the wimple? Basically every marriageable age woman in 12th century Britain, not just nuns. What did the bible say? Most couldn't even fucking read it, they were told about it at church and the priests then said the same thing the muzzies do now about temptation and modesty. The similarities are there, not just superficially but several centuries removed, and the more effective response is pointing what 12th century Britons thought of Muslims if they're going to say the British back then were wiser, not semantics about who's name for a headscarf is better.
Is this somewhere else? Do you understand the difference between what the queen is wearing and a hijab as well as how european religions and christianity view habits and such clothing different from how muslims view the hijab? And do you understand how clothing trends from the fucking 12th century aren't really relevant anymore to the modern christian clothing choices?
IF the answer to this is yes, then you're just being a pretentious ass trying to go BUT ACHUALLY. You are literally arguing when you know how it's different so I'm not sure how you want to pretend you're not being obnoxious
Just scroll down to look at the chart. This Xweeting liar is intentionally making shit up about the hijab while there are people trying to tell everyone they're bigots for calling everything a hijab. Odd.
Trying to normal this in modern society -- I'd like to believe we've grown and moved past forcing primitive (Orthodox) beliefs on everyone... But now with big censorship and tracking we're not any freeer... Damn, a few enjoyed 2-4 decades of prosperity where a single factory or trade job could provide a house for a stay home wife and kids... but a few lazy, greedy, and selfish Jews fucked it up for everyone buy letting the commies get rooted into everything
The history of women's attire is something you can find in museums. The summary is: the dresses got more ornate as a status symbol, and then the masses of fabric became chains. So dresses became simpler again. Here's one link.
I went to the Smithsonian's First Lady dress exhibit, and the takeawy from that exhibit was that most of those dresses cannot be made today. The materials, and labor make them priceless. ( they tend to put their exhibits online these days).
Can you tell I like to look at the pretty dresses? Can't revise this history, it is part of the Suffrage Movement. Too well documented.
We wuz queens an shit.
I think the best one is where they complain how they were cruelly oppressed out of spain
I Expect every white kid will soon be taught that the crusades were an unjustified holocaust
aren't they already
we’ve all heard the phrase “history is written by the winners”
Maybe it should be “history is written by any large aggressive group - because academia is just making shit up and avoiding conflicts”
Acadamia actively pushes this cause it's profitable for them
So is it:
“we teach the students santa claus is real because they really enjoy uplifting stories
and they are gullible as fuck”Kweenz!
Its not wrong to say that English women used to cover their heads in the olden days though (video of England in the 1900) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbElEqm1TQ 1:46
i wouldn't call it a hijab though .
It is in their holy texts: lying to the infidels, especially to "promote Islam," is not a sin, it's a virtue!
Busra is about as sharp as a bag of cotton. 😂
I mean it's not entirely untrue, wimples also looked like that and were commonplace for medieval british women, and they were worn predominantly for religious modesty reasons.
The real question is why they're trying to relate to modern British by invoking their medieval history, when another key point of medieval history is Britain and Muslim nations regularly engaging in kill on sight warfare because of their intense incompatibility.
yeah like the muslims want to talk about the olden day traditionalist Christian cultures that covered up the woman's head in a similar way that muslim women do , while not bringing up the fact that these traditionalist Christians will also be expeling all non Christians from the land because that's what traditional Christians also did in the olden days.
She calls it a hijab. Its not like headcoverings were unknown to europeans, but for the sake of not being retarded, shes pretty much calling it a hijab
I have no idea why this is apparently a hard concept to get
Well if you do want an idea probably the best place to start is examining why you think the name is somehow more important than the physical form and intent of the garb.
Foreign people use foreign words, shocking. But going "Haha, no we didn't drink l'eau, we drank water" is an embarrassing way to argue back. Tighten up that rhetoric if you don't want to make their evangelists look better instead of worse like you should.
Even if you want to compare the intent, its completely different, the same way a nun habit is already different. Youre not being intelligent by going oh yeah theyre both head coverings or religious headcoverings. Everyone knows that. Youre just coming off as pretentiously
You say that they're completely different, but in what ways? They're both female head coverings worn because showing your hair was considered immodest for religious reasons.
Why not point out those differences instead of "foreign word bad!" and giving away an own goal to the invaders claiming people who oppose them are just ignorant racists with no real arguments? It doesn't matter too much when you're preaching to the choir here, but if you ever intend to actually influence public opinion in the wild, saying dumb stuff like that will only make them more sympathetic to centrist normies with naive bleeding hearts.
This is what i meant by being pretentious. Who wears habits. Who wears hijabs. What does the quran say about wearing the hijab and what does the bible say about the habit? Its not even close to similar and having someone pretend it is just makes me think theyre retarded
Even the argument that i should have counter arguments for opinions in the wild is retarded. Am i in the wild now? You yourself admit its pretty much preaching to the choir here then why are you being obtusely retarded? Just to go but achually huh durr? Whats that if not pretentious
Y'know the "preaching to the choir" phrase is basically shorthand for wasting time right? And that's the best case scenario.You're not harming the cause because everyone here is on the same page already, if it was anywhere else it'd be actively counterproductive. Laziness is habit forming, so I assume if you do it here you're going to do it elsewhere.
I actually care about eventually fixing this, so either I suggest corrections, or again the best case scenario is hoping you just never try to talk to normies like that if you're just going to half ass it with lazy gotchas. It's not pretentious to have an ideal and to stick to it instead of folding the first time someone bitches about you caring too much like an insecure teenager, it's just having principles.
To answer your rhetorical that you apparently thought were self evident but really aren't: Who wore the wimple? Basically every marriageable age woman in 12th century Britain, not just nuns. What did the bible say? Most couldn't even fucking read it, they were told about it at church and the priests then said the same thing the muzzies do now about temptation and modesty. The similarities are there, not just superficially but several centuries removed, and the more effective response is pointing what 12th century Britons thought of Muslims if they're going to say the British back then were wiser, not semantics about who's name for a headscarf is better.
Is this somewhere else? Do you understand the difference between what the queen is wearing and a hijab as well as how european religions and christianity view habits and such clothing different from how muslims view the hijab? And do you understand how clothing trends from the fucking 12th century aren't really relevant anymore to the modern christian clothing choices?
IF the answer to this is yes, then you're just being a pretentious ass trying to go BUT ACHUALLY. You are literally arguing when you know how it's different so I'm not sure how you want to pretend you're not being obnoxious
https://istizada.com/muslim-veil-and-hijab-types-a-complete-guide/
Just scroll down to look at the chart. This Xweeting liar is intentionally making shit up about the hijab while there are people trying to tell everyone they're bigots for calling everything a hijab. Odd.
The key point you mentioned is something most people dont know because people are criminally ignorant of history.
Trying to normal this in modern society -- I'd like to believe we've grown and moved past forcing primitive (Orthodox) beliefs on everyone... But now with big censorship and tracking we're not any freeer... Damn, a few enjoyed 2-4 decades of prosperity where a single factory or trade job could provide a house for a stay home wife and kids... but a few lazy, greedy, and selfish Jews fucked it up for everyone buy letting the commies get rooted into everything
Never let our guard down
You literally have some people trying to go 'hey wait, maybe she was right in some way but it's not a hijab'
The history of women's attire is something you can find in museums. The summary is: the dresses got more ornate as a status symbol, and then the masses of fabric became chains. So dresses became simpler again. Here's one link.
https://political.fashion/posts/western-fashion-a-journey-through-time-and-trends
I went to the Smithsonian's First Lady dress exhibit, and the takeawy from that exhibit was that most of those dresses cannot be made today. The materials, and labor make them priceless. ( they tend to put their exhibits online these days).
Can you tell I like to look at the pretty dresses? Can't revise this history, it is part of the Suffrage Movement. Too well documented.