He made a really good point about the just world fallacy only being applied to outgroups. The same people who blame romantically unsuccessful men for their problems tell favored castes that nothing is their fault because the hated straight white male is oppressing them. Expecting intellectual honesty from those types is a fool's errand but pointing it out can be useful for onlookers.
This veers into the leftist idea of "the less fortunate" if you take it to it's conclusion.
If the claim is that genetics is the majority determiner of value and that nothing else matters, then it acts to discourage self improvement on both sides. Why should someone try to improve themselves if they have already won/lost?
This is dangerous because genetics are not an accident. The circumstances of your birth are a combination of factors, choices made not just by your immediate parents but by your ancestors going back centuries. Regardless of whether it's a good hand your family dealt you or not your existence is not a matter of random chance. And it's almost disconcertingly nihilistic and envious for anyone to assert that they would rather be dead than rich, or be dead than pretty. I've heard both statements in fact, from people who would almost certainly beg for their lives if someone leveled a weapon at their heads.
But the thing is, and I say this as one of the "attractive" people... lots of people in that group work our asses off too. I grew up poor. Repairing your own shoes poor. Hunting for meat poor. I earned what I have, and while I personally think the whole "walk a mile in someone else's shoes" thing is horseshit, in a lot if not most cases, people earn what they have in life by that age. Sure, my genetics resulted in being tall and attractive. One of my brothers is tall and an absolute gargoyle. And he's a puling leftist funny enough.
Genetics are not everything and you're still allowed to make choices to improve yourself.
The issue here is not as much with men's choices however, but with the hypergamy centric society that was engineered by the same hostile cabal of foreigners that has flooded us with third world invaders. The same system that was built wholesale around the previous few generations while they got drunk off credit cards, medications, Disney movies and rampant promiscuity.
Older civilizations didn't have this problem. There were women to go around. And it's a question we should ask ourselves, why? What did they do, say, and believe differently and how do we get back to what worked?
The problem comes when plummeting into full blown determinism. the idea that your choices don't matter, won't effect anything so why bother. It's basically the inevitable outcome of socialism, just not economically.
Being hyper focused on genetics as the sole determiner is just flipping Lysenkoism on it's head and declaring it to be true.
My point is that I'm not trying to tell anyone that they can wish themselves taller. Frankly, being short is essentially a disability for men and that is no lie. Genetics matter, and just like with economics some people are better off than others. Inequality is a fact of life and it is not inherently wrong either. Some people have more money than I did growing up, because of a combination of choices their ancestors made. That doesn't mean I shouldn't try, and lo and behold I am wealthy now, I want for nothing and I have no monetary insecurities.
I'm not suggesting any particular course of action, but I am saying that there is a wrong one.
Nihilism has no good future, either for individuals or society.
Part of the reason for hoe_math's viral over the hill post is:
he was an overweight nobody who was relatively invisible to women until after college
then he committed to getting swole around 25 and instantly women started treating him better & throwing themselves at him (IIRC he claims to have slept with something like 3 dozen women in his first year after the gym). He self-described himself about an 8/10.
women treated him like a Chad for about 12 years until his body count odometer clicked over 3 digits, mostly through apps. He was disgusted by learning the true nature of women. He claims to have unknowingly slept with lots of married women & women with bfs.
he feels he aged out about 2-3 years ago after COVID. He stopped having success on the apps. Feels he slipped to about a 6/10 and stopped getting unsolicited attention from younger women.
he says since going viral his DMs are still full of attractive women offering to do nasty things. But he's too jaded & depressed, not wanting to leave his house to get to know anyone.
It's something I've noticed for years, by this point.
Point out how unsuccessful you are sexually(or even just relationship-wise), and people will stumble over broken glass trying to find some excuse or fault to explain it away.
They never want to point out that getting a relationship is one part luck, another part skill, and that society as a whole has done it's best to take both of those elements out of the equation by destroying everything that could help the median average find a relationship and a good life.
He made a really good point about the just world fallacy only being applied to outgroups. The same people who blame romantically unsuccessful men for their problems tell favored castes that nothing is their fault because the hated straight white male is oppressing them. Expecting intellectual honesty from those types is a fool's errand but pointing it out can be useful for onlookers.
This veers into the leftist idea of "the less fortunate" if you take it to it's conclusion.
If the claim is that genetics is the majority determiner of value and that nothing else matters, then it acts to discourage self improvement on both sides. Why should someone try to improve themselves if they have already won/lost?
This is dangerous because genetics are not an accident. The circumstances of your birth are a combination of factors, choices made not just by your immediate parents but by your ancestors going back centuries. Regardless of whether it's a good hand your family dealt you or not your existence is not a matter of random chance. And it's almost disconcertingly nihilistic and envious for anyone to assert that they would rather be dead than rich, or be dead than pretty. I've heard both statements in fact, from people who would almost certainly beg for their lives if someone leveled a weapon at their heads.
But the thing is, and I say this as one of the "attractive" people... lots of people in that group work our asses off too. I grew up poor. Repairing your own shoes poor. Hunting for meat poor. I earned what I have, and while I personally think the whole "walk a mile in someone else's shoes" thing is horseshit, in a lot if not most cases, people earn what they have in life by that age. Sure, my genetics resulted in being tall and attractive. One of my brothers is tall and an absolute gargoyle. And he's a puling leftist funny enough.
Genetics are not everything and you're still allowed to make choices to improve yourself.
The issue here is not as much with men's choices however, but with the hypergamy centric society that was engineered by the same hostile cabal of foreigners that has flooded us with third world invaders. The same system that was built wholesale around the previous few generations while they got drunk off credit cards, medications, Disney movies and rampant promiscuity.
Older civilizations didn't have this problem. There were women to go around. And it's a question we should ask ourselves, why? What did they do, say, and believe differently and how do we get back to what worked?
I don't necessarily disagree with much of that.
The problem comes when plummeting into full blown determinism. the idea that your choices don't matter, won't effect anything so why bother. It's basically the inevitable outcome of socialism, just not economically.
Being hyper focused on genetics as the sole determiner is just flipping Lysenkoism on it's head and declaring it to be true.
My point is that I'm not trying to tell anyone that they can wish themselves taller. Frankly, being short is essentially a disability for men and that is no lie. Genetics matter, and just like with economics some people are better off than others. Inequality is a fact of life and it is not inherently wrong either. Some people have more money than I did growing up, because of a combination of choices their ancestors made. That doesn't mean I shouldn't try, and lo and behold I am wealthy now, I want for nothing and I have no monetary insecurities.
I'm not suggesting any particular course of action, but I am saying that there is a wrong one.
Nihilism has no good future, either for individuals or society.
Part of the reason for hoe_math's viral over the hill post is:
Hoe_Math got defeated by hoe math.
It's something I've noticed for years, by this point.
Point out how unsuccessful you are sexually(or even just relationship-wise), and people will stumble over broken glass trying to find some excuse or fault to explain it away.
They never want to point out that getting a relationship is one part luck, another part skill, and that society as a whole has done it's best to take both of those elements out of the equation by destroying everything that could help the median average find a relationship and a good life.