Frankly, they probably are the primary donors to this
The only way this statement holds true is if the amount of White Nationalists in America is a much larger number than anyone thinks and they are all operating independently without a greater structure coordinating them.
Also, it doesn't take a White Nationalist to be aware that "she said the no no word, and people will be after her for that" and want to support that defense. You can just as easily simply think that her being utterly destroyed is overkill for her action.
Unless you've dropped the definition of White Nationalist to "any white who doesn't worship blacks" then your assumption is based on bupkis.
At this point that's where the definition is going, frankly. "Non-racist" just means "deliberately ignoring and/or lying to myself about the glaring discrepancies in IQ test results and crime stats."
I think there are some tens of thousands of White Nationalists (and I'm going to broaden it to actual White Supremacist criminal gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, Atomwaffen, and the 1%-ers for our purposes here, knowing that they are not part of the typical Alt-Right intellectual discourse)
In any case, these people don't need a central regulatory body (in the same way Black racialists don't need one either, and their numbers are in the many hundreds of thousands). The Karmello Anthony case has been a bugaboo for several weeks now, and they have been actively pushing mis-information (Karmello's family bought a new house and new car, for example), and also spreading explicit disinformation (obvious satire pretending to be pro-black while pushing fully fake information like 'Austin and his brother were gang-stomping Karmello).
So, for the past month or so, tens of thousands of white racialists have been actively riling themselves up over the Karmello story, and have immediately turned around and replicated the same thing on some random woman who said the n-word.
Not to mention, prior to the comments being removed, most of them were about love-bombing the white race, which is not something anyone does outside of this specific group of ideologues.
most of them were about love-bombing the white race, which is not something anyone does outside of this specific group of ideologues.
The fact that you not only think this, but have made it seemingly the crux of your entire thought here, clearly shows your bias working backwards from what you want reality to be.
The internet is filled with people who will absolutely say these things without supporting the very specific ideologies you listed out. They'll part with money just to spell out N I G G E R across 6 donations. This is a space that had all eyes on it and was making a lot of people upset. Its a stage for all sorts of people to say things just for the attention, to cause trouble, to enrage someone, or any other reason that brings them joy. I've participated in /b/tard raids with less national attention to do similar back in the day.
Also, don't think I didn't notice you used three different names (Nationalists, Supremacists, and Racialists) interchangeably to make your fluffing up of their numbers seem more reasonable. However much overlap they may have, they are not one and the same and to treat them as the same simple little monkeys who'd all just throw every penny they have at a random thot who said nigger is incredibly intellectually dishonest.
Heck I'd probably fit into one of those categories and I refuse to support her because I can make a pretty reasonable assumption based on where she lives, her fashion/life style and willingness to say Nigger so directly that she absolutely has burnt coal in her life. Making any support of her for saying it ironic and lolworthy.
The fact that you not only think this, but have made it seemingly the crux of your entire thought here, clearly shows your bias working backwards from what you want reality to be.
That bias is built on the real world. I personally know people who are racist to black people, who don't love bomb the white race. It's just the mentality of the sweeping majority of all people in the US. Even the sweeping majority of racist whites wouldn't do it.
Also, don't think I didn't notice you used three different names (Nationalists, Supremacists, and Racialists) interchangeably to make your fluffing up of their numbers seem more reasonable. However much overlap they may have, they are not one and the same and to treat them as the same simple little monkeys who'd all just throw every penny they have at a random thot who said nigger is incredibly intellectually dishonest.
I explicitly said I was doing that on purpose because it would inflate the numbers of "White Nationalists" donating to this page because Jared Taylor is not trying to cater to 1%-ers, but both are Racialists of one form or another that will be donating to this page, which is how the original article is using it. I wasn't being dishonest, I was giving you what, why, when, and how.
I personally know people who are racist to black people
And I personally know almost every flavor of anti-black and/or pro-white their is. Its a benefit of growing up in the South, you meet a lot of them because merely existing around blacks creates them.
You know what's a really common trait among most of them? Saying a bunch of shit the more extreme ones say just to piss off the Libs or anyone else that might say it, despite being more milquetoast in their actual beliefs and ideologies. Trolling prissy Yankees and basically guys like you is their ideology, and they know saying shit like that will make you react like this.
They/we get called retarded racists by you/them anyway, why not act the part for the lols?
I wasn't being dishonest, I was giving you what, why, when, and how.
And i pointed out why this was lazy, dishonest, and undermined your entire point. It doesn't matter if you say "I'm gonna make shit up," I'm still gonna say you are making shit up to that. These groups are not the same, they will not all line up to donate to this, and you only had to make up this scenario of a massive all grouped up bloc sincerely posting their ideology on this page to compensate for trying to support that they make up tens of thousands of a population with large amounts of disposable income just for a girl who probably burnt coal anyway.
If you had said they make up a sizable portion of those donating, that'd be believable. But trying to stand on them being the primary donors with most other whites either not knowing or not caring is a foolish assumption.
First, your numbers. Shiloh's campaign has 21k donations. Now, some of those will be dupes, but many will be standalone. You say there are "tens of thousands" of white nationalists or whatever. Tens of thousands of people won't get you tens of thousands of donations, no matter how much they care about the topic.
You often can't even get one percent of people to click on a YouTube video, much less part with their money. Let's be extremely generous and say three percent of white supremacists are donating, and only half the donations are from white supremacists. You'd need around 350,000 white supremacists.
But that's mostly guess work, and not the core point. I just don't think the numbers shake out like you think they do.
The Karmello Anthony case has been a bugaboo for several weeks now, and they have been actively pushing mis-information (Karmello's family bought a new house and new car, for example), and also spreading explicit disinformation (obvious satire pretending to be pro-black while pushing fully fake information like 'Austin and his brother were gang-stomping Karmello).
That's deranged. Blacks were claiming Austin was a bully the day off, and their whole campaign has been about that shit, and about being the victim. Did the evil white people trick the entire Anthony family and their "advocates" into being evil pieces of shit too?
Are some white supremacists, as well as general trolls and troublemakers spreading anti-Karmelo misinformation? Absolutely. Internet's a big place, and there are plenty of shitbags who can't miss a chance to fuck shit up for other people. But the "Black Community" was already pushing the "Austin is a racist and a bully" narrative before his body was even cold.
So, for the past month or so, tens of thousands of white racialists have been actively riling themselves up over the Karmello story, and have immediately turned around and replicated the same thing on some random woman who said the n-word.
I mean, did some people get upset about how black people were behaving, and especially the shit behavior of the Karmelo's people? Yeah. For good reason. You still haven't proven that these tens of thousands of people are white racialists/nationalists/supremacists whatever. Some, sure. But plenty of people just think the whole thing is massively fucked up.
...love-bombing the white race, which is not something anyone does outside of this specific group of ideologues.
Yeah, I got nothing, and don't feel like running around in circles on this with you again. I'll just say, you've said so many sweeping generalizations about whites who like whites that the whole thing is useless. You can like whites without being a socialist. You can like whites without being a leftist. You can like whites without being a white nationalist or supremacist. And so on.
I like whites. I don't consider myself any of those things.
Tens of thousands means "19,999 < X < 100,000" when I'm using it. It's a wide range, but I'm including the possibility of error, and the fact that I'm adding actual White Supremacist gangs whom might be also donating to the campaign. The Aryan Brotherhood is one of the largest prison gangs in America, so their numbers are actually quite significant.
You, of all people, should be aware of how 'racial solidarity' works. It doesn't work differently between racialist whites and racialist blacks. "If mine then support". Congratulations, this woman is now considered "mine" by white racialists generally. Okay, well, then they have a racial obligation to support her in their minds. It's not ever going to be like-share-and-subscribe numbers because fans of YouTube channels don't have a metaphysical racial obligation in their head to like-share-and-subscribe.
I'm not arguing about the family spreading misinformation because it doesn't matter to my point. My point is that White Racialists have been obsessing over the Karmello murder for over a month, so their target audience has already been prepped, and their influence efforts are already active. There's no reason not to expect the majority of their audience to rally around this incident when called upon.
You can like white people without being a Socialist, but that's why love-bombing them is obviously the calling card of the White Racialists. "White people are pretty cool" is not the same as calling for racial solidarity, because Whites are the best of America and the founders of all civilization. Again, the same thing happens with Black Racialists. If I hear someone say, "Black people are awesome", that's one thing. If I hear them say, "Melanin is what gives our race love and power", then I know they're an idealogue.
Tens of thousands means "19,999 < X < 100,000" when I'm using it. It's a wide range...
And I'm saying, although it's guesswork, that you might need more than three times your high end to make the numbers work.
You, of all people, should be aware of how 'racial solidarity' works.
I don't know what you mean.
It's not ever going to be like-share-and-subscribe numbers because fans of YouTube channels don't have a metaphysical racial obligation in their head to like-share-and-subscribe.
The YT thing was an example. Point is, people don't put their money where their mouth is, in massive percentage anyway, generally. If you have ten thousand white supremacists, or any other group, I doubt you're going to find more than a thousand actually opening up their wallets. Could be wrong, but it's certainly not going to be near all ten thousand.
A bunch of people will talk big, and throw their verbal support behind the Current Thing, but most won't donate.
I'm not arguing about the family spreading misinformation because it doesn't matter to my point. My point is that White Racialists have been obsessing over the Karmello murder for over a month...
I'm saying you're accusing phantom whites of spreading and producing misinformation that we have non-phantom black people, including the family, spreading and producing, in plain sight. You're seeing a vast conspiracy of white people, but haven't provided any evidence for those claims, and are just presenting it as a given.
There's no reason not to expect the majority of their audience to rally around this incident when called upon.
A few things. I still think you're being to broad with the whole "white X" thing, but that's beside the point. For the sake of argument, let's leave it. I'm still saying the vast majority won't go that extra step to donate. They'll rally verbally, as mentioned, but even then you'll be missing quite a few people. Just how it works.
You can like white people without being a Socialist, but that's why love-bombing them is obviously the calling card of the White Racialists. "White people are pretty cool" is not the same as calling for racial solidarity, because Whites are the best of America and the founders of all civilization. Again, the same thing happens with Black Racialists. If I hear someone say, "Black people are awesome", that's one thing. If I hear them say, "Melanin is what gives our race love and power", then I know they're an idealogue.
You could have picked better examples to equate than whites thinking they're good in aggregate at civilization, and blacks thinking melanin is fucking magic.
The only way this statement holds true is if the amount of White Nationalists in America is a much larger number than anyone thinks and they are all operating independently without a greater structure coordinating them.
Also, it doesn't take a White Nationalist to be aware that "she said the no no word, and people will be after her for that" and want to support that defense. You can just as easily simply think that her being utterly destroyed is overkill for her action.
Unless you've dropped the definition of White Nationalist to "any white who doesn't worship blacks" then your assumption is based on bupkis.
It's not about blacks, but any white people having positive opinions about white people makes him...rather uncomfortable.
At this point that's where the definition is going, frankly. "Non-racist" just means "deliberately ignoring and/or lying to myself about the glaring discrepancies in IQ test results and crime stats."
I think there are some tens of thousands of White Nationalists (and I'm going to broaden it to actual White Supremacist criminal gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, Atomwaffen, and the 1%-ers for our purposes here, knowing that they are not part of the typical Alt-Right intellectual discourse)
In any case, these people don't need a central regulatory body (in the same way Black racialists don't need one either, and their numbers are in the many hundreds of thousands). The Karmello Anthony case has been a bugaboo for several weeks now, and they have been actively pushing mis-information (Karmello's family bought a new house and new car, for example), and also spreading explicit disinformation (obvious satire pretending to be pro-black while pushing fully fake information like 'Austin and his brother were gang-stomping Karmello).
So, for the past month or so, tens of thousands of white racialists have been actively riling themselves up over the Karmello story, and have immediately turned around and replicated the same thing on some random woman who said the n-word.
Not to mention, prior to the comments being removed, most of them were about love-bombing the white race, which is not something anyone does outside of this specific group of ideologues.
The fact that you not only think this, but have made it seemingly the crux of your entire thought here, clearly shows your bias working backwards from what you want reality to be.
The internet is filled with people who will absolutely say these things without supporting the very specific ideologies you listed out. They'll part with money just to spell out N I G G E R across 6 donations. This is a space that had all eyes on it and was making a lot of people upset. Its a stage for all sorts of people to say things just for the attention, to cause trouble, to enrage someone, or any other reason that brings them joy. I've participated in /b/tard raids with less national attention to do similar back in the day.
Also, don't think I didn't notice you used three different names (Nationalists, Supremacists, and Racialists) interchangeably to make your fluffing up of their numbers seem more reasonable. However much overlap they may have, they are not one and the same and to treat them as the same simple little monkeys who'd all just throw every penny they have at a random thot who said nigger is incredibly intellectually dishonest.
Heck I'd probably fit into one of those categories and I refuse to support her because I can make a pretty reasonable assumption based on where she lives, her fashion/life style and willingness to say Nigger so directly that she absolutely has burnt coal in her life. Making any support of her for saying it ironic and lolworthy.
No, if you ever like white people, at all, for any reason, you're clearly a Leftist Socialist Race Communist.
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Whatever happened to National Socialist? Or does that particular magic spell lack potency after decades of misuse?
That bias is built on the real world. I personally know people who are racist to black people, who don't love bomb the white race. It's just the mentality of the sweeping majority of all people in the US. Even the sweeping majority of racist whites wouldn't do it.
I explicitly said I was doing that on purpose because it would inflate the numbers of "White Nationalists" donating to this page because Jared Taylor is not trying to cater to 1%-ers, but both are Racialists of one form or another that will be donating to this page, which is how the original article is using it. I wasn't being dishonest, I was giving you what, why, when, and how.
And I personally know almost every flavor of anti-black and/or pro-white their is. Its a benefit of growing up in the South, you meet a lot of them because merely existing around blacks creates them.
You know what's a really common trait among most of them? Saying a bunch of shit the more extreme ones say just to piss off the Libs or anyone else that might say it, despite being more milquetoast in their actual beliefs and ideologies. Trolling prissy Yankees and basically guys like you is their ideology, and they know saying shit like that will make you react like this.
They/we get called retarded racists by you/them anyway, why not act the part for the lols?
And i pointed out why this was lazy, dishonest, and undermined your entire point. It doesn't matter if you say "I'm gonna make shit up," I'm still gonna say you are making shit up to that. These groups are not the same, they will not all line up to donate to this, and you only had to make up this scenario of a massive all grouped up bloc sincerely posting their ideology on this page to compensate for trying to support that they make up tens of thousands of a population with large amounts of disposable income just for a girl who probably burnt coal anyway.
If you had said they make up a sizable portion of those donating, that'd be believable. But trying to stand on them being the primary donors with most other whites either not knowing or not caring is a foolish assumption.
This is a bad take.
First, your numbers. Shiloh's campaign has 21k donations. Now, some of those will be dupes, but many will be standalone. You say there are "tens of thousands" of white nationalists or whatever. Tens of thousands of people won't get you tens of thousands of donations, no matter how much they care about the topic.
You often can't even get one percent of people to click on a YouTube video, much less part with their money. Let's be extremely generous and say three percent of white supremacists are donating, and only half the donations are from white supremacists. You'd need around 350,000 white supremacists.
But that's mostly guess work, and not the core point. I just don't think the numbers shake out like you think they do.
That's deranged. Blacks were claiming Austin was a bully the day off, and their whole campaign has been about that shit, and about being the victim. Did the evil white people trick the entire Anthony family and their "advocates" into being evil pieces of shit too?
Are some white supremacists, as well as general trolls and troublemakers spreading anti-Karmelo misinformation? Absolutely. Internet's a big place, and there are plenty of shitbags who can't miss a chance to fuck shit up for other people. But the "Black Community" was already pushing the "Austin is a racist and a bully" narrative before his body was even cold.
I mean, did some people get upset about how black people were behaving, and especially the shit behavior of the Karmelo's people? Yeah. For good reason. You still haven't proven that these tens of thousands of people are white racialists/nationalists/supremacists whatever. Some, sure. But plenty of people just think the whole thing is massively fucked up.
Yeah, I got nothing, and don't feel like running around in circles on this with you again. I'll just say, you've said so many sweeping generalizations about whites who like whites that the whole thing is useless. You can like whites without being a socialist. You can like whites without being a leftist. You can like whites without being a white nationalist or supremacist. And so on.
I like whites. I don't consider myself any of those things.
Tens of thousands means "19,999 < X < 100,000" when I'm using it. It's a wide range, but I'm including the possibility of error, and the fact that I'm adding actual White Supremacist gangs whom might be also donating to the campaign. The Aryan Brotherhood is one of the largest prison gangs in America, so their numbers are actually quite significant.
You, of all people, should be aware of how 'racial solidarity' works. It doesn't work differently between racialist whites and racialist blacks. "If mine then support". Congratulations, this woman is now considered "mine" by white racialists generally. Okay, well, then they have a racial obligation to support her in their minds. It's not ever going to be like-share-and-subscribe numbers because fans of YouTube channels don't have a metaphysical racial obligation in their head to like-share-and-subscribe.
I'm not arguing about the family spreading misinformation because it doesn't matter to my point. My point is that White Racialists have been obsessing over the Karmello murder for over a month, so their target audience has already been prepped, and their influence efforts are already active. There's no reason not to expect the majority of their audience to rally around this incident when called upon.
You can like white people without being a Socialist, but that's why love-bombing them is obviously the calling card of the White Racialists. "White people are pretty cool" is not the same as calling for racial solidarity, because Whites are the best of America and the founders of all civilization. Again, the same thing happens with Black Racialists. If I hear someone say, "Black people are awesome", that's one thing. If I hear them say, "Melanin is what gives our race love and power", then I know they're an idealogue.
And I'm saying, although it's guesswork, that you might need more than three times your high end to make the numbers work.
I don't know what you mean.
The YT thing was an example. Point is, people don't put their money where their mouth is, in massive percentage anyway, generally. If you have ten thousand white supremacists, or any other group, I doubt you're going to find more than a thousand actually opening up their wallets. Could be wrong, but it's certainly not going to be near all ten thousand.
A bunch of people will talk big, and throw their verbal support behind the Current Thing, but most won't donate.
I'm saying you're accusing phantom whites of spreading and producing misinformation that we have non-phantom black people, including the family, spreading and producing, in plain sight. You're seeing a vast conspiracy of white people, but haven't provided any evidence for those claims, and are just presenting it as a given.
A few things. I still think you're being to broad with the whole "white X" thing, but that's beside the point. For the sake of argument, let's leave it. I'm still saying the vast majority won't go that extra step to donate. They'll rally verbally, as mentioned, but even then you'll be missing quite a few people. Just how it works.
You could have picked better examples to equate than whites thinking they're good in aggregate at civilization, and blacks thinking melanin is fucking magic.