First, your numbers. Shiloh's campaign has 21k donations. Now, some of those will be dupes, but many will be standalone. You say there are "tens of thousands" of white nationalists or whatever. Tens of thousands of people won't get you tens of thousands of donations, no matter how much they care about the topic.
You often can't even get one percent of people to click on a YouTube video, much less part with their money. Let's be extremely generous and say three percent of white supremacists are donating, and only half the donations are from white supremacists. You'd need around 350,000 white supremacists.
But that's mostly guess work, and not the core point. I just don't think the numbers shake out like you think they do.
The Karmello Anthony case has been a bugaboo for several weeks now, and they have been actively pushing mis-information (Karmello's family bought a new house and new car, for example), and also spreading explicit disinformation (obvious satire pretending to be pro-black while pushing fully fake information like 'Austin and his brother were gang-stomping Karmello).
That's deranged. Blacks were claiming Austin was a bully the day off, and their whole campaign has been about that shit, and about being the victim. Did the evil white people trick the entire Anthony family and their "advocates" into being evil pieces of shit too?
Are some white supremacists, as well as general trolls and troublemakers spreading anti-Karmelo misinformation? Absolutely. Internet's a big place, and there are plenty of shitbags who can't miss a chance to fuck shit up for other people. But the "Black Community" was already pushing the "Austin is a racist and a bully" narrative before his body was even cold.
So, for the past month or so, tens of thousands of white racialists have been actively riling themselves up over the Karmello story, and have immediately turned around and replicated the same thing on some random woman who said the n-word.
I mean, did some people get upset about how black people were behaving, and especially the shit behavior of the Karmelo's people? Yeah. For good reason. You still haven't proven that these tens of thousands of people are white racialists/nationalists/supremacists whatever. Some, sure. But plenty of people just think the whole thing is massively fucked up.
...love-bombing the white race, which is not something anyone does outside of this specific group of ideologues.
Yeah, I got nothing, and don't feel like running around in circles on this with you again. I'll just say, you've said so many sweeping generalizations about whites who like whites that the whole thing is useless. You can like whites without being a socialist. You can like whites without being a leftist. You can like whites without being a white nationalist or supremacist. And so on.
I like whites. I don't consider myself any of those things.
Tens of thousands means "19,999 < X < 100,000" when I'm using it. It's a wide range, but I'm including the possibility of error, and the fact that I'm adding actual White Supremacist gangs whom might be also donating to the campaign. The Aryan Brotherhood is one of the largest prison gangs in America, so their numbers are actually quite significant.
You, of all people, should be aware of how 'racial solidarity' works. It doesn't work differently between racialist whites and racialist blacks. "If mine then support". Congratulations, this woman is now considered "mine" by white racialists generally. Okay, well, then they have a racial obligation to support her in their minds. It's not ever going to be like-share-and-subscribe numbers because fans of YouTube channels don't have a metaphysical racial obligation in their head to like-share-and-subscribe.
I'm not arguing about the family spreading misinformation because it doesn't matter to my point. My point is that White Racialists have been obsessing over the Karmello murder for over a month, so their target audience has already been prepped, and their influence efforts are already active. There's no reason not to expect the majority of their audience to rally around this incident when called upon.
You can like white people without being a Socialist, but that's why love-bombing them is obviously the calling card of the White Racialists. "White people are pretty cool" is not the same as calling for racial solidarity, because Whites are the best of America and the founders of all civilization. Again, the same thing happens with Black Racialists. If I hear someone say, "Black people are awesome", that's one thing. If I hear them say, "Melanin is what gives our race love and power", then I know they're an idealogue.
Tens of thousands means "19,999 < X < 100,000" when I'm using it. It's a wide range...
And I'm saying, although it's guesswork, that you might need more than three times your high end to make the numbers work.
You, of all people, should be aware of how 'racial solidarity' works.
I don't know what you mean.
It's not ever going to be like-share-and-subscribe numbers because fans of YouTube channels don't have a metaphysical racial obligation in their head to like-share-and-subscribe.
The YT thing was an example. Point is, people don't put their money where their mouth is, in massive percentage anyway, generally. If you have ten thousand white supremacists, or any other group, I doubt you're going to find more than a thousand actually opening up their wallets. Could be wrong, but it's certainly not going to be near all ten thousand.
A bunch of people will talk big, and throw their verbal support behind the Current Thing, but most won't donate.
I'm not arguing about the family spreading misinformation because it doesn't matter to my point. My point is that White Racialists have been obsessing over the Karmello murder for over a month...
I'm saying you're accusing phantom whites of spreading and producing misinformation that we have non-phantom black people, including the family, spreading and producing, in plain sight. You're seeing a vast conspiracy of white people, but haven't provided any evidence for those claims, and are just presenting it as a given.
There's no reason not to expect the majority of their audience to rally around this incident when called upon.
A few things. I still think you're being to broad with the whole "white X" thing, but that's beside the point. For the sake of argument, let's leave it. I'm still saying the vast majority won't go that extra step to donate. They'll rally verbally, as mentioned, but even then you'll be missing quite a few people. Just how it works.
You can like white people without being a Socialist, but that's why love-bombing them is obviously the calling card of the White Racialists. "White people are pretty cool" is not the same as calling for racial solidarity, because Whites are the best of America and the founders of all civilization. Again, the same thing happens with Black Racialists. If I hear someone say, "Black people are awesome", that's one thing. If I hear them say, "Melanin is what gives our race love and power", then I know they're an idealogue.
You could have picked better examples to equate than whites thinking they're good in aggregate at civilization, and blacks thinking melanin is fucking magic.
You are dead wrong about collectivists not wanting to act collectively. White Racialists will act collectively, because they are collectivists, and that is how collectivism works. It would be no different from Leftists, or Islamists, or Royalists (given a kings order), or any other anti-Individualist movement.
They're not phantom-whites. When you have Twitter accounts named shit like "Prof. Deys Raysis" or other such nonsense accelerating the spread of disinformation and misinformation, I know precisely who and what I'm looking at. Just because they think blacks are stupid and will buy it, doesn't mean I have to.
No, whites thinking they literally the founders of all civilizations (when we know civilizations were invented earlier in other eras and other continents independent of europeans) is the same level of magical thinking as Yakub nonsense. White people did not invent the Yamato. White people did not invent Sumeria. White people did not invent the Maya.
You are dead wrong about collectivists not wanting to act collectively.
I would be dead wrong, if that was a thing I'd said or implied.
The act of donating is still an individual choice. It doesn't matter greatly how "collectivist" a group of people are, the "clickthrough rate" of turning those attitudes into action is still going to be - relatively - low. You also said it's largely nebulous and leaderless, so you don't even have one guy saying 'go donate.' But even if you did have a leader, you're still not going to get anywhere near everyone to actually commit their wallet. And it's not even selfishness or hypocrisy. It's closer to laziness; it's an extra step, an action. Collectivist or not, a lot of people won't take that step.
They're not phantom-whites. When you have Twitter accounts named shit like "Prof. Deys Raysis" or other such nonsense accelerating the spread of disinformation and misinformation, I know precisely who and what I'm looking at.
Yeah, but you'd already made up your mind, and are treating retards on Twitter as some white racialist conspiracy. You accused them of producing it. I've seen zero evidence of that. You have to take into account...a bunch of these people are just as dumb as they think black people are. Just like blacks have been gobbling up obvious misinformation, whites have as well. You still haven't proved your conspiracy, just that edgy retards on Twitter might not be doing great informational analysis.
No, whites thinking they literally the founders of all civilizations (when we know civilizations were invented earlier in other eras and other continents independent of europeans) is the same level of magical thinking as Yakub nonsense. White people did not invent the Yamato. White people did not invent Sumeria. White people did not invent the Maya.
I've never heard whites take credit for any of that, though. Blacks think they're the samurai, and Egyptians, and so on.
This is a bad take.
First, your numbers. Shiloh's campaign has 21k donations. Now, some of those will be dupes, but many will be standalone. You say there are "tens of thousands" of white nationalists or whatever. Tens of thousands of people won't get you tens of thousands of donations, no matter how much they care about the topic.
You often can't even get one percent of people to click on a YouTube video, much less part with their money. Let's be extremely generous and say three percent of white supremacists are donating, and only half the donations are from white supremacists. You'd need around 350,000 white supremacists.
But that's mostly guess work, and not the core point. I just don't think the numbers shake out like you think they do.
That's deranged. Blacks were claiming Austin was a bully the day off, and their whole campaign has been about that shit, and about being the victim. Did the evil white people trick the entire Anthony family and their "advocates" into being evil pieces of shit too?
Are some white supremacists, as well as general trolls and troublemakers spreading anti-Karmelo misinformation? Absolutely. Internet's a big place, and there are plenty of shitbags who can't miss a chance to fuck shit up for other people. But the "Black Community" was already pushing the "Austin is a racist and a bully" narrative before his body was even cold.
I mean, did some people get upset about how black people were behaving, and especially the shit behavior of the Karmelo's people? Yeah. For good reason. You still haven't proven that these tens of thousands of people are white racialists/nationalists/supremacists whatever. Some, sure. But plenty of people just think the whole thing is massively fucked up.
Yeah, I got nothing, and don't feel like running around in circles on this with you again. I'll just say, you've said so many sweeping generalizations about whites who like whites that the whole thing is useless. You can like whites without being a socialist. You can like whites without being a leftist. You can like whites without being a white nationalist or supremacist. And so on.
I like whites. I don't consider myself any of those things.
Tens of thousands means "19,999 < X < 100,000" when I'm using it. It's a wide range, but I'm including the possibility of error, and the fact that I'm adding actual White Supremacist gangs whom might be also donating to the campaign. The Aryan Brotherhood is one of the largest prison gangs in America, so their numbers are actually quite significant.
You, of all people, should be aware of how 'racial solidarity' works. It doesn't work differently between racialist whites and racialist blacks. "If mine then support". Congratulations, this woman is now considered "mine" by white racialists generally. Okay, well, then they have a racial obligation to support her in their minds. It's not ever going to be like-share-and-subscribe numbers because fans of YouTube channels don't have a metaphysical racial obligation in their head to like-share-and-subscribe.
I'm not arguing about the family spreading misinformation because it doesn't matter to my point. My point is that White Racialists have been obsessing over the Karmello murder for over a month, so their target audience has already been prepped, and their influence efforts are already active. There's no reason not to expect the majority of their audience to rally around this incident when called upon.
You can like white people without being a Socialist, but that's why love-bombing them is obviously the calling card of the White Racialists. "White people are pretty cool" is not the same as calling for racial solidarity, because Whites are the best of America and the founders of all civilization. Again, the same thing happens with Black Racialists. If I hear someone say, "Black people are awesome", that's one thing. If I hear them say, "Melanin is what gives our race love and power", then I know they're an idealogue.
And I'm saying, although it's guesswork, that you might need more than three times your high end to make the numbers work.
I don't know what you mean.
The YT thing was an example. Point is, people don't put their money where their mouth is, in massive percentage anyway, generally. If you have ten thousand white supremacists, or any other group, I doubt you're going to find more than a thousand actually opening up their wallets. Could be wrong, but it's certainly not going to be near all ten thousand.
A bunch of people will talk big, and throw their verbal support behind the Current Thing, but most won't donate.
I'm saying you're accusing phantom whites of spreading and producing misinformation that we have non-phantom black people, including the family, spreading and producing, in plain sight. You're seeing a vast conspiracy of white people, but haven't provided any evidence for those claims, and are just presenting it as a given.
A few things. I still think you're being to broad with the whole "white X" thing, but that's beside the point. For the sake of argument, let's leave it. I'm still saying the vast majority won't go that extra step to donate. They'll rally verbally, as mentioned, but even then you'll be missing quite a few people. Just how it works.
You could have picked better examples to equate than whites thinking they're good in aggregate at civilization, and blacks thinking melanin is fucking magic.
You are dead wrong about collectivists not wanting to act collectively. White Racialists will act collectively, because they are collectivists, and that is how collectivism works. It would be no different from Leftists, or Islamists, or Royalists (given a kings order), or any other anti-Individualist movement.
They're not phantom-whites. When you have Twitter accounts named shit like "Prof. Deys Raysis" or other such nonsense accelerating the spread of disinformation and misinformation, I know precisely who and what I'm looking at. Just because they think blacks are stupid and will buy it, doesn't mean I have to.
No, whites thinking they literally the founders of all civilizations (when we know civilizations were invented earlier in other eras and other continents independent of europeans) is the same level of magical thinking as Yakub nonsense. White people did not invent the Yamato. White people did not invent Sumeria. White people did not invent the Maya.
I would be dead wrong, if that was a thing I'd said or implied.
The act of donating is still an individual choice. It doesn't matter greatly how "collectivist" a group of people are, the "clickthrough rate" of turning those attitudes into action is still going to be - relatively - low. You also said it's largely nebulous and leaderless, so you don't even have one guy saying 'go donate.' But even if you did have a leader, you're still not going to get anywhere near everyone to actually commit their wallet. And it's not even selfishness or hypocrisy. It's closer to laziness; it's an extra step, an action. Collectivist or not, a lot of people won't take that step.
Yeah, but you'd already made up your mind, and are treating retards on Twitter as some white racialist conspiracy. You accused them of producing it. I've seen zero evidence of that. You have to take into account...a bunch of these people are just as dumb as they think black people are. Just like blacks have been gobbling up obvious misinformation, whites have as well. You still haven't proved your conspiracy, just that edgy retards on Twitter might not be doing great informational analysis.
I've never heard whites take credit for any of that, though. Blacks think they're the samurai, and Egyptians, and so on.