And isnt it weird how the Russians and German's hubris has always led them to undersetimate the scrappy but ultimately superior american cunning?
Theres 101 stories of the brave Lt with no air support or artillery supporting holding off a whole battalion with onlu 100 men.
I wonder why nobody in history has ever pulled off a glorious combat from the bad side.
Only slightly off topic, but I saw two hilarious related things; one was probably a joke, the other was dead serious. Paraphrasing:
"I can't support Elon and Space X anymore. I refuse to do business with someone who would be involved with Nazis. I'm switching my support to NASA."
and
"How could these absolute traitors sell these people out to Russia?! They're scum! These people are betraying our WW2 allies to side with Russia!"
People are stupid, and history is just a useful tool to push their modern agendas and biases. Very few people care about actual historical accuracy. That's why the bad guys never win wars.
Not only is history written by the victors, but the Good Guys also change based on current agendas and who is currently in charge.
I will say it's a shame how far we've drifted from both "sides," geopolitically. Historically we have shared a lot in common with Europe, and I'd love it if places like Germany and France and Britain hadn't gone insane. We should be closer allies with them but, as things stand, we instead need to run far, far away from these fucks, because they're currently toxic.
Likewise, we're told Russia is toxic, but I'd personally like to try to normalize relations. We don't have to be friends, but we should be sitting down to talk and trying to at least become allies of convenience. It doesn't have to be as antagonistic as it has been. Can Russia be trusted? No, but neither can any of our other allies...it's just how geopolitics works. Everyone spies on everyone, everyone manipulates everyone. It's not a uniquely Russian thing.
My part of it has always been that the Allies were liars who committed atrocities and lied about it. The Holocaust is 50 to 85% exaggerated and the begining of the War was entirely reasonable on Germany's part.
Hitler was also a funked up evil shit. So was Churchill so was Truman, guess what so's putin and so is trump. They're all nasty greedy bad people.
But their opponents are as bad with better PR. I GET the no more brother wars thing, and I also GET Putin looking at the approaching cancer of globohomo towards the nation he loves and saying "fuck that, die"
Being a patriot isn't an automatic "hero" mark, but fuck it's more respectable than selling your own people to make a buck.
That second one of yours is fucking bonkers though. Makes me think of Eisenhower
People know about the "Blitz" bombings. Most aren't aware Britain was bombing Berlin a month before the Blitz.
It's that tiny bit of context that the west has left out that muddies the water.
In part because they, British leadership, wanted the Blitz for propaganda reasons.
The other part was they wanted the German citizens homeless and starving.
Exactly, they wanted the bombings and then cried out while they were already striking.
And a significant % of the casualties were British AA shells coming back down.
That was solved in WW1, very quickly.
It may have happened due to the insane number of shells fired? Some would malfunction, but not a significant %.
And that the British army shelled London during the Blitz to both inflict additional damage and put on a show of "repelling" aircraft.
The British heavy bombers were bombing French cities filled with French civilians too. Deliberately. The German air defenses were less likely to shoot them down is the main reason.
Yeah, that's the most offensive bit to me. Talk about the Bad Guys or the Good Guys winning the war is absurd, because there were no pure Good Guys. Oh, and no one was doing it to protect the Jews, that was tacked on afterward.
People have a vastly skewed view of history. On both sides, to be fair; it's hard not to have a skewed view of history, since there's so much of it, and so many different possible interpretations, always filtered through others, almost always with their own biases. The primary people who don't have a skewed view of history are those who are more interested in the actual history itself, instead of the politics. Those people are few and far between. This isn't a dig, but I wouldn't be that surprised if we had none of those people here. And we're probably more likely than average to have them here, since we do have a bunch of nerds and autists and the like.
I got a bit off on a ramble, but my point is, anyone who holds up any of the Allied leaders as basically saints is incredibly indoctrinated, and usually doesn't even know it. Like you said, a bunch of those fuckers behaved in absolutely evil ways. But, if you mention facts a lot of normies' kneejerk reactions are to defend the Heroes...or just call you a Nazi Apologist. No, just like the Axis, the Allies committed a long and heinous string of crimes against humanity.
Yup, especially toward the end. People can discuss his original intentions but, no matter what they were, he got fucked on drugs and the stress, and was not a good person or a leader at the end. Hitler was a monster.
Fuck Churchill. I don't care about politics, any leader who intentionally gets his own people slaughtered is a monster. WW2 leaders deserved each other. The people deserved much better.
1000%. Doesn't make you perfect, but that's one of the main things I want in a leader; care and preference for your own people. The other is not being an evil fuck to others unless it's really, really, really fucking warranted. But, yeah...want to lead your countrymen? You have to love them.
Strange how that monster never used the stockpiles of chemical weapons (tabun and sarin) Germany had.
I didn't say complete monster.
You can be a monster without committing every evil act. Yes, Hitler had some good qualities too, including honor and restraint in some aspects of war. Pretty much every WW2 leader was a monster in some respect or another.
The UK planned to massively kill German civilians by dropping 5 million anthrax-filled cakes ( they were made, and ready to drop ) to infect cattle in Germany during WW II.
The US shipped mustard gas bombs to Italy. Fortunately the ship was sunk during a bombing run on Bari.
I never imagine Trump as a literal emperor saint, but I refuse to ascribe the word 'evil' to him in association with early 20th century tyrants. Obama, Bush, Clinton, Reagan sure, but Trump's sin is merely not being a first-principles intellectual, and only having better policies than predecessors within living memory. You have to go back to Cleveland and Coolidge/Harding for mature governance.
Yeah I think it's extremely intellectually lazy to be like "this leader is evil, that one is evil, they're all equally evil." No, we are capable of thinking with nuance. We won't get anywhere with that kind of thinking that paints everything with one brush.
And they are selling their Teslas so they can buy a Volkswagen. Probably upgrading their wardrobe to add some Hugo Boss while they are at it.
Drinking their Fantas