This all started with an idiot post by Chris Rufo that "the economy is strong and income has never been higher." Why would someone in the Trump coalition say something so retarded not a couple months removed from the election? Because people are still mad about legally flooding the country with Indians. archive
Chris then kicked off the party in earnest by insisting that everything is doing great because someone, somewhere got a $70k job at Panda Express. archive
This is basically "full employment." The Panda Express near my house is offering $70k/yr plus benefits for the assistant manager. You can make $100k/yr working at Chipotle for a few years and working up to store manager.
People are talking about H-1B foreigners replacing American engineers AND THIS IS YOUR INPUT IN THE CONVERSATION??
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Boomercon influencer "Wanye Burkett" had a Helen of Troy moment that kicked this off (he deleted) (archive)
I literally don't care if the entire country burns down and everyone I love dies, that would be better than giving an inch to "right wing" 24-year-olds who are indistinguishable from progressives except they hate immigrants
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Matt Walsh appears, of course. No boomercon situation would be complete without the Daily Wire's Ron Swanson showing up to give us the astroturfed bearded family man position archive
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Reminder that Chris just hired a porn star lib for a $300k journalist position (archive)
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My absolute favorite part is Rufo retweeting a guy who did exactly what he's recommending (worked his way up to manager position in fast food) without reading the whole thread where the guy says it was a horrible experience that he would only wish on his worst enemies archive
If Vivek's "Saved by the Bell" post was his Waterloo, this is the Con Inc Pearl Harbor. The entire conservagrifter alliance turned out to get decimated on X. Bottom line is, nobody would be taking issue with "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" except the people preaching that want to import foreigners to replace the people they're talking to!!
"Learn to code" has now become "learn to shovel fried rice." Amazing economy!!
Thank you. Not only that, but there's one manager per store. If someone caps their advancement, hits manager, and stays, no one else at that store can be the manager.
"They can transfer to another store." Well then, no one at that store currently can be the manager. Having one decently paying job per site does not make for a strong economy or society.
The boomers do have somewhat of a point that demotivation is an issue, but they're the ones who set the wrong expectations in the first place. They grew up when a college degree had value. Not when it was a entry-level requirement. People are still fed the idea that degree => good job. And a lot of them believed it enough to go into sizable debt. Finding out they were lied to and are now starting with a huge handicap is a shitty surprise. It's kind of understandable that so many of them are doomers.
When I worked at a country club, my boss started as a busboy and was promoted due to merit and experience. But if I wanted to get promoted, I was expected to have a degree in hospitality management. The days of starting off in the mail room and working your way up are long gone.
I was helping a younger relative look for work this week. We looked at TopGolf. They wanted 5 years of experience at a hotel or restaurant and a degree in hospitality management. For a goddamn guest services position!
This is a symptom of privatized colleges and free community college: every little job now has its own "technical certification." Get ready for a bevy of 2-year degrees in "Cinema Guest Management," "Grocery Bagging Technician" and "Soft Serve and Confectionery Operator." 🙄
Given how many of those motherfuckers think eggs go on the bottom, I don't completely hate this idea.
Eggs do go on the bottom, just covered with packing material like lettuce or chips(read: bags full of air with some crumbs thrown in for good measure). If you're putting soup cans on top of eggs then yeah you need to be dragged out back to the loading bay and shot.
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Sheesh, I got a pin for good behavior just two weeks into working at Hardees thirty years ago. Degrees weren't on anybody's radar, not even management I don't think.
For one job i got in when the company was very small. Interview was like 2 of the other engineers for an hour. When the company got bigger interviews required personality tests, full-day interview schedules, everyone had to interview with at least one Executive-level manager (for line engineers like me that would have been my boss's boss's boss), that sort of thing.
Used to comment to my boss that I'd never have been hired for my own position under that system. As a young engineer I would have hardly been able to speak coherently under those conditions. And it did in fact cause at least one engineer (who had a PhD, so no stranger to being interrogated by a bunch of experts) to break down during the process.
This is backwards. The degree didn't have value, the people who had value pursued the degree because it was the only way to further the path they were already on. Now everyone gets a degree because society put the cart before the horse and believes that diploma mills can spontaneously induce a huge increase in IQ.
I don't think I buy that.
If the degree doesn't have any value, how does it further their path? If you're saying it had value, but only specialist value, I can see that. But obviously they had some value because most people didn't pursue them for fun.
It's not that the degree completely lacks value, so much as the bulk of the value is in the individual who was pursuing the degree and society mistakenly assumed that if everyone got a degree then everyone would attain the value of being someone with a high IQ.
They pursued it because it was the literal only path to learning more about microtransistors or whatever weird esoteric shit they were into. No books at the library on it, just some university course offered by one of four guys in the whole country who knew anything on the subject that they didn't already know. But you can't just throw any random student in there and expect them to be the same kind of person who was ending up there organically. The guy who ended up there organically goes on to do weird vector math and make Quake, whereas the average student goes on to make spreadsheets.
I get what you're saying now and I think we agree. We were just focused on different eras.
My mind had been stuck more in the Boomer's era, which I think is later than what you're talking about. The period where entry level jobs didn't require a degree, but management and up usually did. Or if you were going into a specialized field.
>vector math vs. spreadsheets
I don't know if that was a deliberately funny comparison, but if it was, nice.
First there was the GI Bill: a classist gib to veterans to attend "higher education." Did you need money to start a business? Tough! Go get a degree, and take out a loan.
Then they created student loans, because all the 4-Fs needed a degree, too. (And the cost somehow kept mysteriously rising...)
Now, student loans disrupt the then-current system of taking, say, an electrician who spends his time correcting the electrical engineers' schematics, and sending him to EE school (or sending a similarly excessively talented machinist to mechanical engineering classes). You've already selected that electrician for, aptitude, talent, and enthusiasm.
Now you have 18-year-olds taking IT classes because they never had a job, but they programmed in BASIC a few times. No on-the-job leaning about which part of the system you find really fascinating. No wonder we're losing.
No kidding: I knew an electrical engineer who was told by his boss to go get a EE degree. Your high school guidance counselor can't compete with that.