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Redditards cheer as Ukraine assassinates CBRN general Igor Kirillov in Moscow (www.telegraph.co.uk)
posted 7 months ago by Grumman 7 months ago by Grumman +69 / -4
Ukraine kills Russian nuclear general in Moscow scooter bomb attack
Lieutenant General Igor Kirillov and his assistant were killed in the blast outside an apartment building
www.telegraph.co.uk
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– AntonioOfVenice 5 points 7 months ago +5 / -0

I don't agree with everything he said, but it does seem like Russia likes killing their own inconvenient people.

The Russian state? Maybe. I don't put it beyond them, like I don't put it past the Europeans and the Americans, but this is normally asserted without any evidence whatsoever - as here. Prigozhin and the Litvinenko case seem the strongest. But every inconvenient murder or death is blamed on Putin, and people in the West of course blindly believe it.

Particularly, I'd like to see where this guy got all this information about "leak positions to Ukrainians so they can be hit with cruise missiles, or just stationing inconvenient people onto the front lines". Where he got it will say a lot about him.

It's not secret information; they're intentionally not very subtle about it, because that's part of the message. "Shame if something were to happen to you."

The fact that a Russia Today head said, in the aftermath of Prigozhin, that she was curious as to any explanations other than "the obvious one" speaks volumes. What makes me doubt it, is why Russians would accept killing several completely innocent people, including the pilot and potentially people on the ground, to get at one or two the regime doesn't like. But maybe they do things differently over there.

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– Kienan 3 points 7 months ago +3 / -0

Yeah, I'm not even saying all of those were Russia, but some almost certainly were. Other actors get in on the fun, and it's then easy to blame Russia.

And, yeah, not sure about the missile strikes, I agree that he needs to put up some evidence for that, or it's worthless.

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– GamingTheSystem-01 2 points 7 months ago +2 / -0

why Russians would accept killing several completely innocent people

What do you expect them to do if they don't approve?

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 6 months ago +4 / -0

I expect the regime to not do it if they don't approve. The killing itself, if it was a Kremlin killing, was likely the result of discontent over Wagner getting away with shooting down helicopters and planes. I saw Russians directly criticize Putin by pointing out that you cannot be a leader when you allow opponents to get away with killing forces loyal to you.

Russians tend to get what they want. Russians briefly protested cuts to government in 2005, and since then, the government has been very careful to not cut social services. They protested against the electoral fraud for United Russia in 2011, and the next election was one of the cleanest ever.

For some reason, these 'authoritarian' countries listen to people's protest more than supposedly 'democratic' countries. Xi canceled the Covid restrictions after a few protests. China rewards regional governors by how few protests occur. Hell, even Nazi Germany immunized a certain class of Jews (those married to German women) after their wives staged a daring protest.

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– GamingTheSystem-01 1 point 6 months ago +2 / -1

I expect the regime to not do it if they don't approve

??? I thought you meant the russian people. The regime is the one doing the killing, so obviously they approve. The war has killed millions of people. Russian state media is on every other day talking about how they're going to nuke every city in europe if the latest red line is crossed, like cartoon villians. Putin has likely personally killed people when he was in the KGB.

Don't even get me started on china, you have no idea wtf you're talking about. One example: The candle emoji. You can look it up yourself.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 6 months ago +2 / -0

I thought you meant the russian people. The regime is the one doing the killing, so obviously they approve.

I do mean the Russian people.

Russian state media is on every other day talking about how they're going to nuke every city in europe if the latest red line is crossed, like cartoon villians.

I mean, I do recall the US threatening the world with destruction if Cuba would not cease to exercise its sovereign right to have Russian soldiers and missiles on its soil.

I assume you think that is Completely Different (because we did it).

Also, how exactly are you so well up to date on what Russian state media is saying? Who is serving you these translated clips? Am I allowed to know?

Don't even get me started on china, you have no idea wtf you're talking about. One example: The candle emoji. You can look it up yourself.

What's that go to do with the fact that China lifted Covid restrictions when there were a few small-scale protests? Trudeau should have taken some lessons from that.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 1 point 6 months ago +1 / -0

Vote harder, of course.

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– AntonioOfVenice 2 points 6 months ago +2 / -0

Actually, not voting or voting for anyone but Putin would alarm the Kremlin.

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– HallucinatoryBeing 1 point 6 months ago +1 / -0

You have a source for that?

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