If Todd Philips wants to make a movie that humiliates the protagonist and earn the ire of the audience, he might as well just make a Chris-Chan biopic.
I think the best way to do a Joker sequel would have been a transition from the grounded, grimy psychological drama of the first film to the unhinged surrealism of an actual comic book villain story. Make it a full-on cult horror movie with Arthur as a fast-developing lunatic leader.
Watching Anchorman and taking a shot every time someone says "Ron Burgundy" would be a better idea than what was done, and that's probably going to be lethal as it gets said at least 60 times.
speaking of sequels and ron burgundy, anchorman 2 didn’t deserve a lot of the hate it got, the message about “synergy” of big corporations/govrrnment and news media is more important now than ever
They killed one of the best interpretations of a man thrown off the deep end by a guy who poured his heart into the role.
All for spite.
Now the third film has to be the redemption. It was just a dream, or he survived and is even more determined or some shit like that.
But who am I kidding. We like it, so it has to be destroyed... wait a minute ...
I also like feminism, romance novels, tarot reading, calligraphy, cosplaying, journaling, scrapbooking, horse riding, wine tasting, photography, cooking and acting.
(According to the internets, these are the top 12 woman hobbies)
According to real life 9 of those things are retarded.
Horse riding is still s martial skill in many places.
Photography has too many uses to be listed.
Cooking is vital to survival for some places in the world, and not the frilly version which then involves taking a dozen pics for social media after you finish but long before you start eating.
The rest could all suffer from mass amnesia and humanity would be no worse off at the loss of them.
Morbius, and all the other huge failure capeshit movies, was still able to get the "it all ties together!" bucks. Not as many, but I know at least one guy who is still watching all of it because he has hope the big movies will be worth it.
This had literally nothing going for it. The director was on record saying the original was stand alone, every trailer made it sound less appealing, and word of mouth was bad before it even came out with only worse coming from there.
It seemed that WB was once again heavily banking on Harley being enough of a sell to make hundreds of millions of dollars, especially with a "famous starlet" playing her. Just like the last half dozen IPs they wasted on her.
For all the flaws of Morbius and The Marvels, they weren't intentionally written to destroy the lead character and piss off most of the audience. I think that was the big stake to the heart of this movie.
I'll give you Morbius, as Leto was trying his hardest to become A Thing again, but Marvels was absolutely written to continue to stick it to comic book readers with the forceful shoving of Brie Larson in our face and the absolute nonsense that is Kamala across all mediums.
The Marvels just had the benefit of being the 1203rd stab in that regard, instead of the 1st, so people didn't even care enough to be upset about it.
To clarify, I didn't mean long-time loyal fans of Pre-2008 Marvel. The MCU has barely given a fuck about what they wanted since these movies started. I meant casual fans of the MCU and people who actually liked the Captain Marvel movie (however many that is).
Now a Folie a Deux-tone Captain Marvel sequel would be like "She's a completely useless bitch, she fails at everything, she completely rejects her superhero role, then gets raped and dies". While I can imagine that would be wildly popular with a few people, it's similarly ill-advised.
Considering the poor reception Brie had from the moment she was announced, continuing to use her without any change was offensive to even those MCU fans.
Double so because both of her movies also exist to emasculate and demean Nick Fury, who is closer to her bumbling black sidekick instead of a hardass super spy a lot of the times.
I get your point, I'm just not giving them that credit.
the only time she moved the needle was the first suicide squad and they had a young hot margot robbie and slapped some hot pants on her. anytime they try to make her into something more than just slutty eye candy she fails
Weird. Now, why would "Capeshit 2: Kill Yourself You Mayo Monkey Incels" not make any money?
If Todd Philips wants to make a movie that humiliates the protagonist and earn the ire of the audience, he might as well just make a Chris-Chan biopic.
I'd watch a Chris-chan movie..
Well, there's the bodycam footage of his arrest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1agQE9Hr08
No, it's an art-house film! You chuds just didn't get it!
making a movie where he breaks out of prison and actually plays as the joker the entire movie would of made money
I think the best way to do a Joker sequel would have been a transition from the grounded, grimy psychological drama of the first film to the unhinged surrealism of an actual comic book villain story. Make it a full-on cult horror movie with Arthur as a fast-developing lunatic leader.
that’s a better idea than what was done
Watching Anchorman and taking a shot every time someone says "Ron Burgundy" would be a better idea than what was done, and that's probably going to be lethal as it gets said at least 60 times.
speaking of sequels and ron burgundy, anchorman 2 didn’t deserve a lot of the hate it got, the message about “synergy” of big corporations/govrrnment and news media is more important now than ever
Still $40M too high.
Silver lining: with current projections they're going to lose $100-150 million IIRC.
As intended, the goal is to destroy the populist anti hero they accidentally created.
It is a humiliation ritual film, the audience's humiliation. They want you to know that you can't have relief or sympathy even in fiction.
IMHO if nobody watches it and people only mock them, they've failed at destroying him.
They killed one of the best interpretations of a man thrown off the deep end by a guy who poured his heart into the role.
All for spite.
Now the third film has to be the redemption. It was just a dream, or he survived and is even more determined or some shit like that.
But who am I kidding. We like it, so it has to be destroyed... wait a minute ...
I also like feminism, romance novels, tarot reading, calligraphy, cosplaying, journaling, scrapbooking, horse riding, wine tasting, photography, cooking and acting.
(According to the internets, these are the top 12 woman hobbies)
According to real life 9 of those things are retarded.
Horse riding is still s martial skill in many places.
Photography has too many uses to be listed.
Cooking is vital to survival for some places in the world, and not the frilly version which then involves taking a dozen pics for social media after you finish but long before you start eating.
The rest could all suffer from mass amnesia and humanity would be no worse off at the loss of them.
what do you have against sluts cosplaying? they like the attention we like the tits and ass
Well on the plus side the wrong people didn't like it
Morbius, and all the other huge failure capeshit movies, was still able to get the "it all ties together!" bucks. Not as many, but I know at least one guy who is still watching all of it because he has hope the big movies will be worth it.
This had literally nothing going for it. The director was on record saying the original was stand alone, every trailer made it sound less appealing, and word of mouth was bad before it even came out with only worse coming from there.
It seemed that WB was once again heavily banking on Harley being enough of a sell to make hundreds of millions of dollars, especially with a "famous starlet" playing her. Just like the last half dozen IPs they wasted on her.
For all the flaws of Morbius and The Marvels, they weren't intentionally written to destroy the lead character and piss off most of the audience. I think that was the big stake to the heart of this movie.
I'll give you Morbius, as Leto was trying his hardest to become A Thing again, but Marvels was absolutely written to continue to stick it to comic book readers with the forceful shoving of Brie Larson in our face and the absolute nonsense that is Kamala across all mediums.
The Marvels just had the benefit of being the 1203rd stab in that regard, instead of the 1st, so people didn't even care enough to be upset about it.
To clarify, I didn't mean long-time loyal fans of Pre-2008 Marvel. The MCU has barely given a fuck about what they wanted since these movies started. I meant casual fans of the MCU and people who actually liked the Captain Marvel movie (however many that is).
Now a Folie a Deux-tone Captain Marvel sequel would be like "She's a completely useless bitch, she fails at everything, she completely rejects her superhero role, then gets raped and dies". While I can imagine that would be wildly popular with a few people, it's similarly ill-advised.
Considering the poor reception Brie had from the moment she was announced, continuing to use her without any change was offensive to even those MCU fans.
Double so because both of her movies also exist to emasculate and demean Nick Fury, who is closer to her bumbling black sidekick instead of a hardass super spy a lot of the times.
I get your point, I'm just not giving them that credit.
Harley's been a lead in pretty much all the failures. lol
the only time she moved the needle was the first suicide squad and they had a young hot margot robbie and slapped some hot pants on her. anytime they try to make her into something more than just slutty eye candy she fails
We should pretend this is going to be the next rocky horror and see if they'll rerelease it .
Didn't they do that with Morbius? They saw all the memes pop up and assumed a re-release would get better numbers and it flopped again?
Yep. It was Morbin time.
Indeed, but I have a hunch their not done sticking their face in that bear trap.