I still say that the call to abandon all prominent online spaces is misguided. Ceding ground is a losing strategy and it's a huge part of how the woke mob has become such a problem. Cultural bulwarks need to be maintained and that means not running away from every platform that's in common use.
Reddit is already owned part and parcel of living in a big city by leftist tranny powermods and literal paid bots and shills. Sites like that live and die by their traffic (when they aren't being propped up by outside interests).
What do you propose to do on reddit that won't be deleted after a mod's dilation session?
Before you answer: Look how badly original KIA was neutered.
(when they aren't being propped up by outside interests).
But that's the thing: It is already being propped up. You leaving isn't even a dent of a dent. All of both KiA's combined could leave and it still wouldn't matter. Because it's already being propped up externally.
You're not wrong that, eventually, ties need to be cut. But equally so, abandoning all these spaces leaves them as pure echochambers. The issue is skirting the line between engaging in those spaces and being able to guide people into the spaces that aren't objectively shitholes. And the reality is, that as much as we might want it to be otherwise, normies aren't going to come here or any other alternative. They're not going to abandon Reddit like Digg was abandoned. Because even if they do know about the issues and even understand, they simply don't care enough.
Your biggest challenge is giving them an actual reason to leave. Because a significant number of people are there. Yes, the people higher up are exclusively leftist, and a significant portion of the userbase is too, but it's also true that an equally significant portion simply don't care about these topics when online. They are the silent majority, and they're not silent because they're biting their tongues, they're silent because they have nothing to say because it simply doesn't interest them. It'd be like asking you about your opinion on species of Bolivian Ants, and unless you already hold interest in that topic, there's a pretty low chance you're going to be chiming in with your opinions on the matter.
We often talk about "a vocal minority", but often forget that even engaging in any discussion in the first place is already a minority activity. The vast majority don't chime in.
And that doesn't even tackle the issue of decentralisation and how hard it is to combat that against people who love centralised platforms.
Before you answer: Look how badly original KIA was neutered.
Direct counter point: original KiA even existing did a lot to put information out there for people to learn about all the shit that's been going down for the last decade. Without that outpost I probably would not be as informed as I am today.
For me it was slashdot, then digg, then fark, then Reddit. I was recently site-banned from Reddit just like op (presumably related to the election - they’re being extra censorious) but Reddit sure had, and is still having, a long run.
The UI redesign a few years ago should have killed it. It’s god awful.
"Hey guys, let's stop using anything other than echo chambers. Surely that will keep the woke ideology from propagating through literally every corner of society. We just have to stop engaging with any platform that wider society uses and then everyone will stop being so woke."
with this logic we should also abandon the Earth because most of it is gay right now.
the other guy's right. if you are able, there is no harm in being a voice of reason even on Reddit. it's not 100% controlled and normal people go there all the time, just like the streets of the average western capital city. the leftist/satanist worldview is fragile. if you can just plant a seed in the minds of readers by typing out a few wise words, you've already done a lot.
I get the idea of staging in leftist communities to troll them or bring people to our side, and respect people who can do that, but otherwise just contributing to reddit helps give them clicks, engagement, and free content. Make sure what you're posting is actually worth it. A spy in enemy territory is no good if he's literally just living with the enemy but doing nothing of tactical value.
Think of it like a war. If your army continues to fight on enemy ground, in unfavorable terrain, and keeps being defeated, it's better to fall back to an advantageous position, and push out from there. Continuing to wage a war on the enemy's terms and in the enemy's advantage is an exercise in defeat.
I agree that we can't perpetually retreat, but that's not what I was advocating. Wars are fought by building a fortress(es), and pushing outward from there.
What a retarded take. The reason to stop using reddit is because you don't enjoy the experience, not because it'll somehow "own the libs".
He didn't say to own the libs. He said because it's garbage, which would also mean that he's not enjoying the experience.
I still say that the call to abandon all prominent online spaces is misguided. Ceding ground is a losing strategy and it's a huge part of how the woke mob has become such a problem. Cultural bulwarks need to be maintained and that means not running away from every platform that's in common use.
Reddit is already owned part and parcel
of living in a big cityby leftist tranny powermods and literal paid bots and shills. Sites like that live and die by their traffic (when they aren't being propped up by outside interests).What do you propose to do on reddit that won't be deleted after a mod's dilation session?
Before you answer: Look how badly original KIA was neutered.
But that's the thing: It is already being propped up. You leaving isn't even a dent of a dent. All of both KiA's combined could leave and it still wouldn't matter. Because it's already being propped up externally.
You're not wrong that, eventually, ties need to be cut. But equally so, abandoning all these spaces leaves them as pure echochambers. The issue is skirting the line between engaging in those spaces and being able to guide people into the spaces that aren't objectively shitholes. And the reality is, that as much as we might want it to be otherwise, normies aren't going to come here or any other alternative. They're not going to abandon Reddit like Digg was abandoned. Because even if they do know about the issues and even understand, they simply don't care enough.
Your biggest challenge is giving them an actual reason to leave. Because a significant number of people are there. Yes, the people higher up are exclusively leftist, and a significant portion of the userbase is too, but it's also true that an equally significant portion simply don't care about these topics when online. They are the silent majority, and they're not silent because they're biting their tongues, they're silent because they have nothing to say because it simply doesn't interest them. It'd be like asking you about your opinion on species of Bolivian Ants, and unless you already hold interest in that topic, there's a pretty low chance you're going to be chiming in with your opinions on the matter.
We often talk about "a vocal minority", but often forget that even engaging in any discussion in the first place is already a minority activity. The vast majority don't chime in.
And that doesn't even tackle the issue of decentralisation and how hard it is to combat that against people who love centralised platforms.
Direct counter point: original KiA even existing did a lot to put information out there for people to learn about all the shit that's been going down for the last decade. Without that outpost I probably would not be as informed as I am today.
There'll be another conglomerate eventually, I've been around since bbs days and they all ebb and flow.
For me it was slashdot, then digg, then fark, then Reddit. I was recently site-banned from Reddit just like op (presumably related to the election - they’re being extra censorious) but Reddit sure had, and is still having, a long run.
The UI redesign a few years ago should have killed it. It’s god awful.
You're an idiot.
"Hey guys, let's stop using anything other than echo chambers. Surely that will keep the woke ideology from propagating through literally every corner of society. We just have to stop engaging with any platform that wider society uses and then everyone will stop being so woke."
Fine, be a nigger committed to defeat.
with this logic we should also abandon the Earth because most of it is gay right now.
the other guy's right. if you are able, there is no harm in being a voice of reason even on Reddit. it's not 100% controlled and normal people go there all the time, just like the streets of the average western capital city. the leftist/satanist worldview is fragile. if you can just plant a seed in the minds of readers by typing out a few wise words, you've already done a lot.
I get the idea of staging in leftist communities to troll them or bring people to our side, and respect people who can do that, but otherwise just contributing to reddit helps give them clicks, engagement, and free content. Make sure what you're posting is actually worth it. A spy in enemy territory is no good if he's literally just living with the enemy but doing nothing of tactical value.
Think of it like a war. If your army continues to fight on enemy ground, in unfavorable terrain, and keeps being defeated, it's better to fall back to an advantageous position, and push out from there. Continuing to wage a war on the enemy's terms and in the enemy's advantage is an exercise in defeat.
Except unlike real war our "losses" are just anonymous accounts that can be replaced in mere seconds. Clear cookies and make a new one and you're in.
Point to the ground that has been taken during this war. Now look at the ground that has been lost over the last several generations.
Retreating is losing.
I agree that we can't perpetually retreat, but that's not what I was advocating. Wars are fought by building a fortress(es), and pushing outward from there.