I still say that the call to abandon all prominent online spaces is misguided. Ceding ground is a losing strategy and it's a huge part of how the woke mob has become such a problem. Cultural bulwarks need to be maintained and that means not running away from every platform that's in common use.
Reddit is already owned part and parcel of living in a big city by leftist tranny powermods and literal paid bots and shills. Sites like that live and die by their traffic (when they aren't being propped up by outside interests).
What do you propose to do on reddit that won't be deleted after a mod's dilation session?
Before you answer: Look how badly original KIA was neutered.
(when they aren't being propped up by outside interests).
But that's the thing: It is already being propped up. You leaving isn't even a dent of a dent. All of both KiA's combined could leave and it still wouldn't matter. Because it's already being propped up externally.
You're not wrong that, eventually, ties need to be cut. But equally so, abandoning all these spaces leaves them as pure echochambers. The issue is skirting the line between engaging in those spaces and being able to guide people into the spaces that aren't objectively shitholes. And the reality is, that as much as we might want it to be otherwise, normies aren't going to come here or any other alternative. They're not going to abandon Reddit like Digg was abandoned. Because even if they do know about the issues and even understand, they simply don't care enough.
Your biggest challenge is giving them an actual reason to leave. Because a significant number of people are there. Yes, the people higher up are exclusively leftist, and a significant portion of the userbase is too, but it's also true that an equally significant portion simply don't care about these topics when online. They are the silent majority, and they're not silent because they're biting their tongues, they're silent because they have nothing to say because it simply doesn't interest them. It'd be like asking you about your opinion on species of Bolivian Ants, and unless you already hold interest in that topic, there's a pretty low chance you're going to be chiming in with your opinions on the matter.
We often talk about "a vocal minority", but often forget that even engaging in any discussion in the first place is already a minority activity. The vast majority don't chime in.
And that doesn't even tackle the issue of decentralisation and how hard it is to combat that against people who love centralised platforms.
Before you answer: Look how badly original KIA was neutered.
Direct counter point: original KiA even existing did a lot to put information out there for people to learn about all the shit that's been going down for the last decade. Without that outpost I probably would not be as informed as I am today.
For me it was slashdot, then digg, then fark, then Reddit. I was recently site-banned from Reddit just like op (presumably related to the election - they’re being extra censorious) but Reddit sure had, and is still having, a long run.
The UI redesign a few years ago should have killed it. It’s god awful.
Seems pretty clear that right now big corporate interests are propping up Reddit and suppressing alternatives. They control Reddit and they paid big money to make that happen. They’re protecting their investment.
Some alternatives that have come and gone include voat and poal.
4chan is compromised too. We’re just weeks from an election and they’re doing nothing. Remember September 2016? Pol was the source of almost every meme back then. Today - nothing. And infinity chan is totally dead.
I’m legitimately shocked that this place, and the farms are still active.
I still say that the call to abandon all prominent online spaces is misguided. Ceding ground is a losing strategy and it's a huge part of how the woke mob has become such a problem. Cultural bulwarks need to be maintained and that means not running away from every platform that's in common use.
Reddit is already owned part and parcel
of living in a big cityby leftist tranny powermods and literal paid bots and shills. Sites like that live and die by their traffic (when they aren't being propped up by outside interests).What do you propose to do on reddit that won't be deleted after a mod's dilation session?
Before you answer: Look how badly original KIA was neutered.
But that's the thing: It is already being propped up. You leaving isn't even a dent of a dent. All of both KiA's combined could leave and it still wouldn't matter. Because it's already being propped up externally.
You're not wrong that, eventually, ties need to be cut. But equally so, abandoning all these spaces leaves them as pure echochambers. The issue is skirting the line between engaging in those spaces and being able to guide people into the spaces that aren't objectively shitholes. And the reality is, that as much as we might want it to be otherwise, normies aren't going to come here or any other alternative. They're not going to abandon Reddit like Digg was abandoned. Because even if they do know about the issues and even understand, they simply don't care enough.
Your biggest challenge is giving them an actual reason to leave. Because a significant number of people are there. Yes, the people higher up are exclusively leftist, and a significant portion of the userbase is too, but it's also true that an equally significant portion simply don't care about these topics when online. They are the silent majority, and they're not silent because they're biting their tongues, they're silent because they have nothing to say because it simply doesn't interest them. It'd be like asking you about your opinion on species of Bolivian Ants, and unless you already hold interest in that topic, there's a pretty low chance you're going to be chiming in with your opinions on the matter.
We often talk about "a vocal minority", but often forget that even engaging in any discussion in the first place is already a minority activity. The vast majority don't chime in.
And that doesn't even tackle the issue of decentralisation and how hard it is to combat that against people who love centralised platforms.
Direct counter point: original KiA even existing did a lot to put information out there for people to learn about all the shit that's been going down for the last decade. Without that outpost I probably would not be as informed as I am today.
There'll be another conglomerate eventually, I've been around since bbs days and they all ebb and flow.
For me it was slashdot, then digg, then fark, then Reddit. I was recently site-banned from Reddit just like op (presumably related to the election - they’re being extra censorious) but Reddit sure had, and is still having, a long run.
The UI redesign a few years ago should have killed it. It’s god awful.
The option to opt out of said redesign has probably done a lot to prolong its life.
I remember the slashdot, digg, fark, reddit migrations. I wonder if there will be another like that or if we will just stay fragmented...
Seems pretty clear that right now big corporate interests are propping up Reddit and suppressing alternatives. They control Reddit and they paid big money to make that happen. They’re protecting their investment.
Some alternatives that have come and gone include voat and poal.
4chan is compromised too. We’re just weeks from an election and they’re doing nothing. Remember September 2016? Pol was the source of almost every meme back then. Today - nothing. And infinity chan is totally dead.
I’m legitimately shocked that this place, and the farms are still active.