I think you are overly optimistic on the rest of the West "waking up" to this. Those in power are more concerned about appealing to the illegal aliens who rape the children of the natives, the legal system is filled to the brim with lawyers, NGOs, and such who will do everything in their power to prevent illegal aliens from being deported, and the average normie would gladly sacrifice their children just to not be called racist for 5 minutes.
At best, you have people who are grumbling and groaning about the state of affairs, but they will never, ever consider further action. Even the most schizo of people are too afraid to take action on those who hold power, and they would much rather set themselves on fire than anything that might even slightly inconvenience the powers that be.
I'm willing to bet that most people here were believers at one point. I know I was. So off the bat, we're evidence that it's possible to break the conditioning.
The brainwashing is extensive, it's administered with real intensity on all children with a religious force. The whole system depends on it, is predicated on brainwashing children so fiercely that they never wake up once they old enough to leave the internment camps (schooling).
Then the new generation of admins, guards, clergy, propagandists, interrogators, inquisitors, and brainwashers are produced by the universities, designed to take in and reward the true believers and break the doubters.
It's why "red pilling" is even a saying. And why the saying resonates. To wake up from the socialization is to wake up to a new and strange reality that's fundamentally different.
You're right, of course, that currently the vast majority are still living in the matrix. And the ones that don't are majority autists or on the spectrum (whom the programming hasn't worked on), and a minority of people who somehow managed to snap out of their programming.
But the more reality diverges from the propaganda, and the more the normies are forced to actually engage with reality, the weaker the conditioning becomes, and the more people start waking up. It's going to be an avalanche. And then one day, for no apparent reason, the people will revolt.
To halt this, the regime must get increasingly authoritarian and totalitarian. You transition from a oligarchy that functions because most people believe; to a party led totalitarian theocracy where people pay lip-service. In the former, you can maintain stability with feminine types of soft power - it's a dictatorship that runs on threats of ostracization, shame, reputational harm, economic harm. But in the latter, more masculine forms of power will be occasionally needed - mass arrests, secret police, internment, persecution.
You're starting to see this shift in England already. But the regime in England is strong, and by the next election the regime, now knowing it's under threat, will have done enough to cement its power indefinitely (or at least until it collapses, but this can take centuries). So it's too late now, waking up in England in the future will only get you in trouble, you won't be allowed to organize.
This election was the last one where the people had any hope of reversing cause, but the British people are mostly all heavily brainwashed, and they didn't understand the stakes or what's being done to them, nor have the strength or will to do anything about it.
The only hope is that waking up happens before the regime is able or willing to do what's necessary to keep power. The only way this can happen is if people wake up from witnessing the divergence from reality in another regime, and then with urgency take steps to save their own. It's not much, but it's what we've got.
Britain is lost, but there's still hope for the west. Not because e.g. Le Pen or Trump are saviors. Or Meloni, or Wilders, whoever else type of milquetoast personality is administering some other region of the Empire. They're all neoliberals. But because the speed limit progressives may sabotage the loyalists for long enough to make them more infective for a time. To act as administrative annoyances like DeSantis, just enough to buy some time until the fall of Britain, which then may trigger the spell to break, and the mass psychosis to end. If that were to happen, probably one of the fist signs would be that nationalism would lose it's stigma, and self-preservation suddenly become the obvious position to the normie.
I've been wondering if our way of thinking makes us dinosaurs, soon to be extinct. It feels like what we stand for is logical, but there are precious few that see things that way.
Why can't the people of the UK see the example of Germany and France what Labour is going to get them?
They also don't care about a mandated "obesity strategy" followed closely by conscription because it won't affect them. The 35 year old working age male however...
You have an impatient attitude towards party realignments.
Reform just got 14% of the vote to the LibDem's 10% and the Tories 21%. The SNP and the DUP also got demolished, which is interesting. Farage wanted to send a message to the Conservative party, and he was wildly successful at that.
The ball is very much now in the Conservatives court as to how they can respond to Reform.
There are basically two paths forward. Assuming this government goes the distance, the next election is in 2029. The Tories can either make peace with Reform and accept Farage as party leader, or they can fight it out, in which case Labour probably gets another win in 2029, but with a Reform led opposition.
HOWEVER, that's five years from now, and I don't think anyone expects Labour to do a good job. If Labour absolutely tanks and is forced into an early election, and Reform is being the louder opposition than the actual leader of the opposition... then things get more interesting.
A lot of those further on the right, Liz Truss, those who opposed lockdowns, masks and mandatory vaccination as well as those who advocate for Brexit lost their seats last night and the Tories left are predominately Tories in name only. There is no way the remaining Tories will have anything to do with Farage and Reform, no matter what outsiders demand of them.
I can assure you that it was not a case of “not giving any support to Reform”; RUK have won FIVE seats, which under First Past the Post and against the hostile, slanderous media and government is miraculous.
We saw the vast majority of the public willingly embrace lockdown as opposed to question that strategy and ask legitimate questions as to why we did not adopt what Sweden was doing. One of the doses of reality someone has to come to terms with is that we are a hierarchical society and the vast majority of people prefer to be dictated to by a leader and to have their lives controlled by a higher power. We libertarians are a minority and sadly to say, always will be.
Most people also prefer a two party system and will choose between the two main parties. The First Past The Post political system we have is very well suited to keeping us in that situation. Again, there is no appetite beside from a small minority to bring in Proportional Representation for national Government. People want the status quo and do not want to change.
If you have been paying attention to the news on polling day, the media was pushing the Holly Willoughby kidnapping plot hard and really focusing on the man who planned it - as a loner, a hermit, single, male and unattractive and how those characteristics in men make them a threat to women and girls. Something that will be at the heart of a new Labour Government.
The Lotus Eaters were making the point on their livestream very correctly that there were politicians whining about how Ofcom needed to regulate podcasters and how they should fall under Ofcom rules. So even the Lotus Eaters now are considering, okay, how do we get around jurisdictions.
That gets enforced next year, regardless of whether the Tories or Labour won. I honestly would not be surprised if Labour and the Tories just decide that the Internet is too unregulatable and they decide to go full national Intranet for the populous while making the Internet the exclusive realm of the state and business.
The biggest takeaway I saw from this is Reform is definitely having an impact; also that the voting system needs reworking.
Reform managed to get themselves 4.1 million votes. Yet they only managed to get 4 seats. Why should the three parties above them get almost 5 times the seats (Thus 5x the voice) in parliament when they have only 1/4 of the votes. Although I guess I should be careful for what I wish for as the worst thing that could possibly happen (Even over Labour) is Green get more of a voice...
It was pretty obvious that Labour were going to win, the tories have been fucking up the country for the last 14 years. Labour now have 4 years to either do nothing or to fuck things up more. Which will then push the people who voted them purely because they didn't want the Tories in, they'll either go to Lib Dems; Or to Reform.
I think the biggest takeaway from the UK is we underestimated the amount of ingrained thought within the UK population that its ONLY an either or vote between two parties...than a parliamentary system.
Reform at least getting Farage and a few members in to parliament at least gets their voices heard more and makes it harder to mess with them since they can use the commons as their soap box. I looked at the results and interesting how the SNP got decimated while Sinn Fienn is now the largest NI Westminster party so that's going to be interesting.
All together, this is probably the third worst result that could have happened, Reform at least have their foot in the door and SNP suffered a lot which could be foretelling for the Scottish elections. The biggest turning point now will be France and the US as if Macron goes and Trump wins in the US, it'll reduce the allies that the more commie Labour can rely on to prop them up.
As for Internet and silencing podcasts, Elon Musk has MORE power than the UK government, if Twitter was to pull out of the UK, they'd probably suffer a recession. The UK economy is too weak to risk bullying ANY legal revenue streams in especially since now Farage is in Westminster like a grim reaper for these idiots.
As for Internet and silencing podcasts, Elon Musk has MORE power than the UK government, if Twitter was to pull out of the UK, they'd probably suffer a recession.
And an actual America First government in the US could deliver the knockout punch to globalist regulators by banning US companies from complying with foreign regulations that limit free speech. Take it out of Elon's hands. He shouldn't be allowed to shadowban a user at the request of the German Stasi, Brazilian supreme court, or the Australian puppet government.
For a commie regime you NEED the authority from force to enact it because there WILL be dissenters and it only takes a small, dedicated organised group to topple a government.
Looking at the current state of your police and the fact your country would only last 2 weeks against an 'tier 2 military', you don't have the force to do it and with recruitment WAY down on military, you'll never have that for the next 5 years, it's ironic that conservative mismanagement made a commie regime impossible.
And thanks to mass immigration, you can't pull a Japan where you have a weaker economy but extremely high trust so everything is functioning very well with low crime.
As for Internet and silencing podcasts, Elon Musk has MORE power than the UK government, if Twitter was to pull out of the UK, they'd probably suffer a recession
Unlikely. There'll just be a UK version of Twitter.
If anything, there would be celebration of Twitter exiting the UK. Worse still, they'd prefer to have an internal network which can be crafted and regulated by Government "for your own safety" and "for the safety of the children". It just isn't practical at the moment without destroying your economy or facing a massive backlash - that takes time unlike in regimes like North Korea, Cuba or Iran. But I suspect a national Intranet outside of Government and business is coming and will happen eventually.
Unlikely. There'll just be a UK version of Twitter.
The only reason I doubt it'll END up that way than them attempt it is talking with my British friends there's a pattern that they tell me keeps occurring:
ALL government projects for the past decade have failed, been delayed to obscurity, ran over budget and been so woefully inept that they fall apart immediately.
I don't doubt they'll at least try but it'd be MORE buggy than a Bethesda product that they'd get hacked in seconds of launch, no one would use it and more people would use VPNs to get back to Twitter, even government employees.
They only changed the colour of the car, not the defunct civil service engine underneath..
Labour winning is ultimately good. Not for the UK, but it's too late to save the UK anyway.
The only hope of the west is if one country speedruns the entire evolution of neoliberalism, so the results can scare the rest enough to wake them up.
I think you are overly optimistic on the rest of the West "waking up" to this. Those in power are more concerned about appealing to the illegal aliens who rape the children of the natives, the legal system is filled to the brim with lawyers, NGOs, and such who will do everything in their power to prevent illegal aliens from being deported, and the average normie would gladly sacrifice their children just to not be called racist for 5 minutes. At best, you have people who are grumbling and groaning about the state of affairs, but they will never, ever consider further action. Even the most schizo of people are too afraid to take action on those who hold power, and they would much rather set themselves on fire than anything that might even slightly inconvenience the powers that be.
I'm willing to bet that most people here were believers at one point. I know I was. So off the bat, we're evidence that it's possible to break the conditioning.
The brainwashing is extensive, it's administered with real intensity on all children with a religious force. The whole system depends on it, is predicated on brainwashing children so fiercely that they never wake up once they old enough to leave the internment camps (schooling).
Then the new generation of admins, guards, clergy, propagandists, interrogators, inquisitors, and brainwashers are produced by the universities, designed to take in and reward the true believers and break the doubters.
It's why "red pilling" is even a saying. And why the saying resonates. To wake up from the socialization is to wake up to a new and strange reality that's fundamentally different.
You're right, of course, that currently the vast majority are still living in the matrix. And the ones that don't are majority autists or on the spectrum (whom the programming hasn't worked on), and a minority of people who somehow managed to snap out of their programming.
But the more reality diverges from the propaganda, and the more the normies are forced to actually engage with reality, the weaker the conditioning becomes, and the more people start waking up. It's going to be an avalanche. And then one day, for no apparent reason, the people will revolt.
To halt this, the regime must get increasingly authoritarian and totalitarian. You transition from a oligarchy that functions because most people believe; to a party led totalitarian theocracy where people pay lip-service. In the former, you can maintain stability with feminine types of soft power - it's a dictatorship that runs on threats of ostracization, shame, reputational harm, economic harm. But in the latter, more masculine forms of power will be occasionally needed - mass arrests, secret police, internment, persecution.
You're starting to see this shift in England already. But the regime in England is strong, and by the next election the regime, now knowing it's under threat, will have done enough to cement its power indefinitely (or at least until it collapses, but this can take centuries). So it's too late now, waking up in England in the future will only get you in trouble, you won't be allowed to organize.
This election was the last one where the people had any hope of reversing cause, but the British people are mostly all heavily brainwashed, and they didn't understand the stakes or what's being done to them, nor have the strength or will to do anything about it.
The only hope is that waking up happens before the regime is able or willing to do what's necessary to keep power. The only way this can happen is if people wake up from witnessing the divergence from reality in another regime, and then with urgency take steps to save their own. It's not much, but it's what we've got.
Britain is lost, but there's still hope for the west. Not because e.g. Le Pen or Trump are saviors. Or Meloni, or Wilders, whoever else type of milquetoast personality is administering some other region of the Empire. They're all neoliberals. But because the speed limit progressives may sabotage the loyalists for long enough to make them more infective for a time. To act as administrative annoyances like DeSantis, just enough to buy some time until the fall of Britain, which then may trigger the spell to break, and the mass psychosis to end. If that were to happen, probably one of the fist signs would be that nationalism would lose it's stigma, and self-preservation suddenly become the obvious position to the normie.
From an Irish point of view I'm hoping the UK can welcome all the illegals who came here. Sick of seeing gypsies and insert euphemism in the country
Good luck with that. I’ve interviewed dozens of people for a role in Ireland, and 0 were Irish. Ireland is the pajeet and south American garbage dump.
I've been wondering if our way of thinking makes us dinosaurs, soon to be extinct. It feels like what we stand for is logical, but there are precious few that see things that way.
Why can't the people of the UK see the example of Germany and France what Labour is going to get them?
They also don't care about a mandated "obesity strategy" followed closely by conscription because it won't affect them. The 35 year old working age male however...
You have an impatient attitude towards party realignments.
Reform just got 14% of the vote to the LibDem's 10% and the Tories 21%. The SNP and the DUP also got demolished, which is interesting. Farage wanted to send a message to the Conservative party, and he was wildly successful at that.
The ball is very much now in the Conservatives court as to how they can respond to Reform.
There are basically two paths forward. Assuming this government goes the distance, the next election is in 2029. The Tories can either make peace with Reform and accept Farage as party leader, or they can fight it out, in which case Labour probably gets another win in 2029, but with a Reform led opposition.
HOWEVER, that's five years from now, and I don't think anyone expects Labour to do a good job. If Labour absolutely tanks and is forced into an early election, and Reform is being the louder opposition than the actual leader of the opposition... then things get more interesting.
You cannot change politics as quickly as you want them to change without resorting to violence, and I don't see you getting violent.
Farage knew exactly what he wanted to get out of this election cycle and he got it. It could have been a bigger win, but it was a win.
A lot of those further on the right, Liz Truss, those who opposed lockdowns, masks and mandatory vaccination as well as those who advocate for Brexit lost their seats last night and the Tories left are predominately Tories in name only. There is no way the remaining Tories will have anything to do with Farage and Reform, no matter what outsiders demand of them.
That is, of course, their choice. Then Farage will spend the next five years being louder than the real leader of the opposition.
Are you British? How old are you?
I can assure you that it was not a case of “not giving any support to Reform”; RUK have won FIVE seats, which under First Past the Post and against the hostile, slanderous media and government is miraculous.
You’re stupid. And possibly trolling.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
Leave the politics to the adults.
Every other post you talk big about how this time you're leaving the UK, and yet you continue to find any excuse you can to stay in limey land.
You're like those woke retards who said they would move to Canada when Trump got in and then they didn't.
We saw the vast majority of the public willingly embrace lockdown as opposed to question that strategy and ask legitimate questions as to why we did not adopt what Sweden was doing. One of the doses of reality someone has to come to terms with is that we are a hierarchical society and the vast majority of people prefer to be dictated to by a leader and to have their lives controlled by a higher power. We libertarians are a minority and sadly to say, always will be.
Most people also prefer a two party system and will choose between the two main parties. The First Past The Post political system we have is very well suited to keeping us in that situation. Again, there is no appetite beside from a small minority to bring in Proportional Representation for national Government. People want the status quo and do not want to change.
If you have been paying attention to the news on polling day, the media was pushing the Holly Willoughby kidnapping plot hard and really focusing on the man who planned it - as a loner, a hermit, single, male and unattractive and how those characteristics in men make them a threat to women and girls. Something that will be at the heart of a new Labour Government.
That gets enforced next year, regardless of whether the Tories or Labour won. I honestly would not be surprised if Labour and the Tories just decide that the Internet is too unregulatable and they decide to go full national Intranet for the populous while making the Internet the exclusive realm of the state and business.
The biggest takeaway I saw from this is Reform is definitely having an impact; also that the voting system needs reworking.
Reform managed to get themselves 4.1 million votes. Yet they only managed to get 4 seats. Why should the three parties above them get almost 5 times the seats (Thus 5x the voice) in parliament when they have only 1/4 of the votes. Although I guess I should be careful for what I wish for as the worst thing that could possibly happen (Even over Labour) is Green get more of a voice...
It was pretty obvious that Labour were going to win, the tories have been fucking up the country for the last 14 years. Labour now have 4 years to either do nothing or to fuck things up more. Which will then push the people who voted them purely because they didn't want the Tories in, they'll either go to Lib Dems; Or to Reform.
Well, seeing as everyone in the UK are cuckolds, I suggest leaving before it becomes a prison island.
I think the biggest takeaway from the UK is we underestimated the amount of ingrained thought within the UK population that its ONLY an either or vote between two parties...than a parliamentary system.
Reform at least getting Farage and a few members in to parliament at least gets their voices heard more and makes it harder to mess with them since they can use the commons as their soap box. I looked at the results and interesting how the SNP got decimated while Sinn Fienn is now the largest NI Westminster party so that's going to be interesting.
All together, this is probably the third worst result that could have happened, Reform at least have their foot in the door and SNP suffered a lot which could be foretelling for the Scottish elections. The biggest turning point now will be France and the US as if Macron goes and Trump wins in the US, it'll reduce the allies that the more commie Labour can rely on to prop them up.
As for Internet and silencing podcasts, Elon Musk has MORE power than the UK government, if Twitter was to pull out of the UK, they'd probably suffer a recession. The UK economy is too weak to risk bullying ANY legal revenue streams in especially since now Farage is in Westminster like a grim reaper for these idiots.
And an actual America First government in the US could deliver the knockout punch to globalist regulators by banning US companies from complying with foreign regulations that limit free speech. Take it out of Elon's hands. He shouldn't be allowed to shadowban a user at the request of the German Stasi, Brazilian supreme court, or the Australian puppet government.
Commies do love their famines....
We'll have to wait and see as Labour could end up with their own mismanagement devaluing the currency making them reliant on outsiders.
I think second is more likely than first.
For a commie regime you NEED the authority from force to enact it because there WILL be dissenters and it only takes a small, dedicated organised group to topple a government.
Looking at the current state of your police and the fact your country would only last 2 weeks against an 'tier 2 military', you don't have the force to do it and with recruitment WAY down on military, you'll never have that for the next 5 years, it's ironic that conservative mismanagement made a commie regime impossible.
And thanks to mass immigration, you can't pull a Japan where you have a weaker economy but extremely high trust so everything is functioning very well with low crime.
Unlikely. There'll just be a UK version of Twitter.
If anything, there would be celebration of Twitter exiting the UK. Worse still, they'd prefer to have an internal network which can be crafted and regulated by Government "for your own safety" and "for the safety of the children". It just isn't practical at the moment without destroying your economy or facing a massive backlash - that takes time unlike in regimes like North Korea, Cuba or Iran. But I suspect a national Intranet outside of Government and business is coming and will happen eventually.
The only reason I doubt it'll END up that way than them attempt it is talking with my British friends there's a pattern that they tell me keeps occurring:
ALL government projects for the past decade have failed, been delayed to obscurity, ran over budget and been so woefully inept that they fall apart immediately.
I don't doubt they'll at least try but it'd be MORE buggy than a Bethesda product that they'd get hacked in seconds of launch, no one would use it and more people would use VPNs to get back to Twitter, even government employees.
They only changed the colour of the car, not the defunct civil service engine underneath..