Tornado Cash (anon payment system) trial is definitely marching well into dystopian territory
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it was a good decision to build the killdozer.
The first mistake was many decades and no sequels.
Basically whining that they can't backdoor it and 1984 people when everyone knows how to make a key to the jail cells.
Unstoppable meaning law enforcement can't track users?
Even worse I'd guess. Unstoppable meaning that they can't decide who is allowed to use it.
Just wait for them to charge some wrong-thinking open source dev because someone happened to use their string-parsing library in ransomware or something.
What am I saying, "happened." They'll find someone they want to arrest, include their harmless general-purpose code in a false flag and then persecute them.
Really hoping this case doesn't succeed and set a precedent because it could have even greater insane knock-on effects than how it looks on the surface. It would also be a massive power grab by the judiciary - so good odds it will work!
Basically we have the same idea as the phone-cracking case the FBI pushed a few years ago. You - whether the company who made a product, the owner of a product, or just some two-bit open-source dev who has no idea who is using his product - are being assessed a legal responsibility to enforce the law on behalf of the government. All your actions must agree with what makes law enforcement's job easier, even if that inconveniences you or your customers. Friendly jackbooted agents can simply declare whatever you are doing is illegal based on whether they felt inconvenienced that day or not.
No, if Congress wants to make it illegal to not "make a product that possibly makes a fed's job more difficult" they need to pass that law.
The closest existing analogue I can think of is where it can be illegal in some locales to put traps in your own home or set up any kind of defense system (even guard dogs) that could harm a law enforcement officer, even if the LEOs are entering illegally in the first place. There's also the Good Samaritan laws. Those laws are bullshit too, but at least they all focus on preventing physical harm to somebody. This is transparent "you must bend over for the government and let us access your back door, son".
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But people can post child porn or death threats on Facebook and YouTube and those platforms aren't liable. If I kill someone with an iPhone is Apple liable? The hell is this?
You forgot to seitch accounts.
bingo! They will only target cheese pizza hosters if they are not one of them. IIRC, they did exactly this with alternate sites, these thugs would post pizza from THEIR private collection and use that as an excuse to shut down websites.
This is how they took USENET down. Without doing that, modern controlled sites like Reddit couldn't flourish.
What was Usenet?
Basically a distributed worldwide forum that existed before websites did. It still exists today too, but people don't really use it for anything but piracy now since we have forums and social media
And also because Usenet costs extra, which it didn't before Andrew Cuomo threatened to prosecute the ISPs.
Distant green summer.
https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1983-10/page/n219/mode/2up?view=theater
This is offensively retarded.
Generation Safe Space are now all legal voting age.
The RNC is apparently trying to "modernize" it's image, by having some e-thot be a public face of the party.
We are doomed.
The entirety of civilization is going to grind to a sudden halt, probably before those tards are in a position of power.
All North American cities will have Africa/India living standards, and hygiene.
Get out of the cities while you can.
That was the hippies, after they "stuck it to the man" then joined the man when he offered them money. Lots of the kids who grew up under that madness understand it for what it is.
There isn't "more ignorance" in the world than before. Like all ignorance it knows no boundaries, but takes some time to find new ones and then exceed them again.
This is what school does to people. Which is all part of the same system. When they can't physically control something, they turn on the media machine, and scare everyone into compliance.
It's the same thing with a slightly new spin. It's next door to "think of the children!"
Given how wide open to interpretation the computer fraud and abuse act is, every single open source dev just became a criminal.
"Precedent" is legal assfuckery that has no basis in a sane system of law. - it is a tool used to justify the state's preferred interpretation of deliberately vague law. Prosecutors trying to make arguments that blatantly violate rights should be considered for disbarment and "precedent" should never be held to be law.
The idea of precedent isn't wrong but we need to eliminate decades of precedent. We have to go back.
The idea of precedent makes perfect sense. Predictable outcomes for the same fact patterns and consistent interpretations from judge to judge. The problem arises when you get naked partisans that get first crack at something that rule on what they want the law to be, not what it is.
A lot of things make perfect sense in a vacuum / simulation where everyone is assumed to be a rational actor, then fall apart when human corruption is introduced.
The law should be plain enough that no "precedent" interpretation is required, as the founding fathers intended.
So what about the USD which is used by criminals every day?
That's okay as long as they pay 10% to the big guy.
So you make a thing that does thing, and let others use thing for free in their software.
And someone uses thing and it's considered 'bad', you're guilty too?
Where is my minority report? Do I even have one?!?
Bear in mind the rationale for this - if anyone uses your code, including compiled or proprietary software, not just FOSS, for anything the stare deems criminal, they can face consequences. They are also expected to police the behaviour and thoughts of their users.
This and the UK's prosecution of Alex Belfield for off-site behaviour done by others now means we've crossed the line into punishing people for other people's behaviour.
We also know why states are so keen on abolishing encryption for individuals.
Yea man, that's why everyone's fucking pissed at the corpocrats who decided they were so clever they could build and deploy an infinite money machine, yet are now desperately trying every underhanded trick they can think of to avoid responsibility for what they've created.
This OP username....
As if you're any better you glowing fed. Your forum sliding is explicitly for the purpose of encouraging more "nazis pretending to be right wing" shit and you belong in a cell right along with every other leftist goon.
Well aren't you forgiving and generous...
No no, its fine! We have Love Love Shine playing in the background 24/7!
What about it?
Years ago I saw a report on 60 minutes that was a nice fluff piece about two young men that had started an app for phones that was basically a bank; but since it's an app and generally has low overhead it could really revolutionize and change the banking industry.
Then at the end of the report they basically said "well it has been about 6 months since then and lawsuits from big banks/regulators/etc. have destroyed the company."'
We're in a new gilded age where big business wields the government as a weapon against people/small businesses (when it should be the other way around). Maybe it never stopped.
This is why they moved on making you register your crypto as 'securities' and putting it in the hands of their friends and control systems. The same reason the truckers were so heavily punished for taking donations in Canada.
Being outside the system is a fundamental threat. Act accordingly.