So i just completed the full initial run of Ultimate Marvel, from Ultimate Spider Man #1 to Ultimate End. And ive got some thoughts.
First of all. I started collecting phsycially when i was a kid, around Death of Spiderman. The only ultimate comic i read was Ultimate Comics X-Men, which was one of those "your book got canceled heres this other one" for my X Men Legacy subscription. That quickly became my favorite book, despite hating Kitty, i really loved the reservation concept, the sentient seed. That whole piece, which makes it a crime that it really only lasted about 4 issues. Having read the entire series now. Hot damn were they obsessed with Kitty.
I wont go through the whole of Ultimate, other than that the transition from Vol 1 to Vol 2 of Ultimate spider man was horrible.
I will say, folks the cracks were there. All New Ultimates finished in 2014 and it is top 3 worst runs of any book ive ever read. Packed full of the "teenies angsting with shit art" the sitcom "oh hey im actually gay" lets break up for no reason oh were back togehter for no reason soap opera fest.
"Right wing" militia as a stomped villian that even the Scourge hates because "im not racist! I just kills criminals, and suggesting theres a demographic there is racist!"
The evil corporation is messing up the usually totally fine drug trade by POSIONING it. Yeah thats how you run a business, murder your customers.
I hate cloak and dagger, bombshell is the stupidest fuck after "black widow," and miles... it really shows you how much the writer matters. Miles' first run is as enjoyable as any other book ive ready. In All New Ultimates he reminds me why im racist.
I especially hate bombshells whiny drug dealer boyfriend drama. Its supposed to be totally radical, and its "real" in the sense thay yeah ive met people like her. But they were stupid retaded fucks, and i hated them too.
/rant
We were blind to the bullshit back then, but it was still out there.
I'm not sure where the cutoff lies, or if wholesome non-woke media ever existed in my lifetime.
Not all of us were blind. I've been doing this shit since the 90s and was there to see Intersectionality born and morph into Wokeism.
Which makes it all the more frustrating to have people act like no one could see it coming when the majority of people trying to fight it now were happily on the other side calling us crazy and working to set this rot in motion.
While I doubt most people here were part of the "lite-Leftist" crowd even then, most places like KIA1 is nothing but people who gleefully supported all of this, despite the obvious consequences, until it came to fruition. And now they are over here desperately acting like no one could ever have seen this coming, denying any responsibility, and calling you names for still not trusting them now.
That's why you never trust a convert.
I woke up a couple years before gamergate. Dated a BPD girl, which was one of the worst experiences of my life. Proceeded to conduct some internet research in order to learn more about such women. Found a few of the better manosphere blogs and never looked back.
When gamergate happened, it was the first time on my life that I immediately saw and understood exactly what was happening. I saw leftist media and leftists in general for the liars and psychopaths they truly were. And it was only a small step to apply that new understanding to basically all of history.
So I guess it depends on the concert. Is he telling you what you want to hear in order to curry favor in a developing social space? Is it a suspiciously convenient play for attention and validation? Or is he fucking pissed about being lied to for his entire life? Does his new understanding more or less ruin his life? Because you can usually trust that.
Amusingly, my wake-up call came from the r/atheism sub. I read through it as catharsis and kept seeing these "Mens Rights" guys getting made fun of, and someone dropped a link to r/mensrights so I went to check it out thinking that it should be a bunch of idiots to dunk on.
Turned out they had legitimate points and the enlightened atheists were just a bunch of ignorant bigots. Then Elevatorgate happened and what little regard I had in my then-mostly-neutral stance on feminism was obliterated. Then Atheism+ pushed me into FTSU mode.
What's sad is the Men's Rights sub was so milquetoast and innocent that their reaction to it was a wake up on its own.
Those guys were basically a crumb of pussy away from going right back to the Left, and their rhetoric was mostly angry venting instead of a legitimate ideology.
The cultural rot really got started in the 60s via academia and entertainment. The 70s pissed off enough people to make way for the more conservative 80s, and then 90s mostly fended off political correctness outside of the universities.
00s was a strangely quiet decade after 9/11. Lots of bullshit wars, of course, and the intel community laying the groundwork for their coming rise to power. The 10s is when Obama and Holder fully weaponized the federal government against conservatives/whites, plus BLM and LGBT took off. That’s when we lost the west.
George Floyd plus covid tyranny cemented the left’s control. Now we’re just waiting around for the spark.
I saw the shift circa 2012 and called it out as such, aka nice try media, you can't make us out to be racists. But they did.