Apparently the Steam Workshop can be pretty based.
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Up until the fucking tubofaggot Steam jannies realize, at least. I swear, I like Steam as a platform, but their roaming band of jannies are some of the worst on the internet. Not quite Reddit-level, but it's hard to find many others that are worse. Steam fucked up bad with how they handle that shit.
Yeah ... I'm permabanned on the Valhalla forum for bitching about their tranny-hires and the game really sucks as of late ... meh ... uninstalled ... not like there's better games.
I'm permabanned on XCOM 2 forums, for mentioning their parent company too many times in relation to their shitty gamebreaking launcher. All I did there was help people troubleshoot, direct people toward the alternative mod launcher (letting you actually play the game), and such. I'd say I was incredibly positive in my occasional posting there, but I also called out Take Two, and had to go. They claimed they got me for 'discussing moderation,' for calling out their bullshit too, even though there's no stated rule for that.
Basically, I got the Steam forum ban equivalent of resisting arrest. Why were they arresting me? No reason, but I resisted. I think I was permabanned when someone singled me out and asked me why I had been banned, and I answered. Boom, discussing moderation. Was the other user punished in anyway? Nope. Fucking bullshit, lol.
So glad the AML is a thing, one day my entire mod list just stopped working without any reason. Never looked back after a short search for the "alternative" option.
AML is great, and that was pretty much 90% of my posting on the Steam forums.
"Yeah Firaxis/2K/TakeTwo hate you and broke the game you paid for, use AML." ad infinitum.
Seriously, though, AML is amazing. Very well put together launcher, and the sorting options are great.
"Here's a new update to the game that came out 8 years ago!"
"My game no longer works, what did you change?"
"Nothing, it's work on the launcher so our other games can also be run from it."
"Ok, but I can't launch X-Com 2 anymore."
/silence
Last I remember the devs themself can ban you there so it isn't necessarily the jannies who did it though still likely.
Steam Valhalla forum.
Centralization is a bad thing as it turns out. We need to go back to fan forums and just a multitude of venues for discussion that aren't controlled by hostile forces. It's the same issue I have with reddit, it centralized all discussion and then the antagonistic interests moved in to make sure actual discussion couldn't happen.
I think back to some of the most enjoyable online forums and while the venues themselves were fragmented you had many of the same personalities participating across many of them. Ye olde FFXI forums were a community unto themselves. I remember when Square Enix finally opened up official forums decades after the game launched and immediately we were running into authority figures squashing discussions either for getting too heated or because they reflected poorly on the company. Many people simply fell back to the old fan forums to continue the conversation.
Now everything just gets funneled into a reddit or a space curated by moneyed interests, or worse ideological interests and it all goes to shit.
Centralization isn't the cause it's just correlated with it. Multitudes of venues will be overrun as well, and you'll be constantly moving around looking for the new one that's still undiscovered by raving lunatics.
The problem is they merge together everybody's votes. So the extremists get a loud voice because they vote more, and especially those cheaters willing to create AI bots. Scored will fall to this, just like reddit, but not 4chan because they don't have scores and karmas.
The solution is obvious when you consider that every scored/sorted forum will create a biased information bubble. Then the least bad is to have a personalized you-sized bubble. For example, a system where you vote to see more content like that, not to make others see more content like that. When you pick a forum to read you're doing just that; you're saying you want more content like that and less like in other forums.
Of course the downside is that Imps will see other Imps - it'll magnify the good and the bad. But it'll do it fairly and give people the content they deserve. New people show up and downvote Imps because he's too far out and then the forum gets better for them. The core group will never have their forum overrun, worst case they'll have another forum superimposed that they never see.
This can be done with a centralized forum or a distributed one, but the distributed one lets you verify the you-bubble algorithm.
I think the fix is to just go back to PHP bulletin board forums. No more upvotes and downvotes, just bully people into reading through the entire thread if they want to actually participate in the conversation. There was a lot more actual engagement between people who disagreed back in that format.
Even in the USENET glory days people had their own blacklist in their newsreader client.
You can't prevent people from using client-side scripting and there's too much ability to spam these days.
So you'll be looking at a huge linear thread but they'll be clicking a button to hide every reply by a person and making it a collapsible tree.
Lol.
The user base has been getting increasingly based and seemingly has fewer fucks to give than they did a few years ago, and it's glorious to see. But the moderation and administration has moved in the opposite direction.
Can you elaborate?
I recently picked up Rimworld so I'm curious to hear the history you're referencing. Or were you just referring to Steam's user base more generally?
Yeah sorry I just mean the steam user base generally. Used to be when a game with an obvious agenda came out people would dance around the subject and the soy apologists made up a sizable chunk of the vocal users. Now you typically find some variation "oh fuck off with this woke garbage already" is the most active thread in every new release and it's only like 20% apologia.
Plus there have been a few games that decided to release censorship patches out of the blue recently and they gave gotten absolutely destroyed in the reviews for it
Rimworld's user base is a little based. And Tynan, the lead dev, is apparently a free speech advocate.
I've been able to drop some redpills in the Rimworld discord with some positive response.
Yep, exact same thing happened with Ready or Not.
To Void's credit, though, it appears as if they still haven't thrown in some worthless female characters, though,
Steam was under attack by various groups then they removed the old general forum jannies and put in paid ones instead from wherever they came from. Game forums are also modded by the games staff that get to do what they want.