Partial truth. An operation of this kind requires technical know how and precise execution beyond what Ukraine is capable of. It also requires Nordic nations to be told to turn a blind eye.
This has US special ops and CIA written all over it.
This is the most compelling argument I've heard that didn't blame the USA. It seems like too big of a risk for Poland to do this without backdoor approval though.
Dunno, the hatred for Germans and Russians runs pretty deep there. I could totally see them doing it out of spite, and with the new pipeline they stood to gain financially selling excess to Germany at inflated prices.
Here's why I doubt it was done without US approval. Russia had just gone to war with Ukraine and around this time was when everyone was trying to push the Putin is the next Hitler, he's going to attack Poland next and then take over the world narrative. If Poland does this attack without anyone's approval and they get caught red handed, does that put their NATO membership in jeopardy? I feel like they wouldn't want to cause too many problems with their allies with Russia so close to them.
I feel you could be right it's the Poles who did it but I wouldn't be shocked if the USA asked them to and they were like hell yeah of course!
Poland has been itching for a war with Russia for sometime.
It's insane to me, as this whole mess started with Obama's appeasement "reset" plan that was soft on Russia, nixing a NATO missile defense deal.
Poland realized it was a mistake and upped military stance anyway, effectively snubbing the will of Obama anyway.
I guess I'm saying they didn't care about risking escalation before, and they certainly don't now either.
I would remind you that Poland is one of the very few NATO countries to consistently meet their 2% gdp spending commitment. They've been preparing for quite some time and are exceptionally proficient.
That's nonsense. Poland didn't know about it, and didn't have the technology to actually dive to the depth.
What leaks and informants we do have said that the US Special Operations forces were pushed into a US Navy exercise in the area, and used that (without the Navy's knowledge) to plant the explosives. After months of planning and argument within the Biden regime. The Biden Regime already warned of the attack, and they didn't want the Germans negotiating with Russia.
They didn't know about the pipeline? Or you are saying they didn't know about the explosion?
Neither makes any sense at all. Of course they aren't going to admit to it.
They absolutely did have the technology to do it, again read the link. They have a ship with seabed mapping and drones for attaching explosives to mines. It's the perfect ship to do the job.
You somehow think the Seals are behind every curtain, but the obvious answer here is the poles.
So you're telling me Ukraine ordered it and the US followed like a bitch? Because the Ukrainians don't gave the capacity to pull that off but the Americans easily do.
So either admit the US did it or admit that Biden is Zelensky's bitch.
But, but, I thought everyone who felt Russia didn't do it was a crazy, dangerous conspiracy theorist!!!
Well, time to move yet another peg from the "conspiracy theory" side of the board to the "conspiracy theorists were right" side of the board. Assuming there's still room for more pegs on that side of the board.
This isn't a new conspiracy theory put out by the media. The US intelligence agencies were pushing the idea that it was probably Russia, but it could be Ukraine.
In reality, the US committed an act of war against Germany, and has violated the basis of NATO. Unfortunately, there is no way around the fact that the US's behavior was so extreme that it should be thrown out of NATO, this second.
Partial truth. An operation of this kind requires technical know how and precise execution beyond what Ukraine is capable of. It also requires Nordic nations to be told to turn a blind eye.
This has US special ops and CIA written all over it.
Chervinsky is just a fall guy.
I still think it was Poland. Evidence:
-closest land was Poland. Not counting Sweden, unless the theory is immigrants threw a grenade in the water. https://gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/leakage-map.jpg
-Hurts both Russia and Germany, Poland hates both. For good reason.
-they opened their own pipeline the next day after the bombing. What luck!
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/gas-starts-flowing-poland-through-new-baltic-pipe-pipeline-2022-10-01/
Oh and it's right by the Polish Navy base in Kolobrzeg, where they have the ORP Kormoran, an underwater minesweeper ship.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Kormoran_(601)
No divers even required.
Minesweepers don't have the same capabilities as placing explosives on a pipeline.
Yes they do, read the link. The ship is equipped with drones for attaching explosives to mines underwater.
And just to put this to bed:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_pipeline_sabotage
From the above link on the ship, just one of the many drones it has is the swedish "double eagle" (hilariously, also the symbol of Russia):
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Eagle_(mine_disposal_vehicle)
QED
Why on earth you think that humans are necessary in 2023 warfare is beyond me. Drones are where it's at now.
Poland had the means, the motive (both financial and emotional), the proximity, and the will.
Normally you're shilling for a war with Finland, so I don't know why you didn't try targeting them.
Lol. Someone is salty they are just flat wrong.
Really though, many Americans have no idea what Eastern Europe is really like and I'm just trying to educate.
You spent 4 months or so shilling about Finland when no one cares. Not sure which master your serving.
This is the most compelling argument I've heard that didn't blame the USA. It seems like too big of a risk for Poland to do this without backdoor approval though.
Dunno, the hatred for Germans and Russians runs pretty deep there. I could totally see them doing it out of spite, and with the new pipeline they stood to gain financially selling excess to Germany at inflated prices.
Here's why I doubt it was done without US approval. Russia had just gone to war with Ukraine and around this time was when everyone was trying to push the Putin is the next Hitler, he's going to attack Poland next and then take over the world narrative. If Poland does this attack without anyone's approval and they get caught red handed, does that put their NATO membership in jeopardy? I feel like they wouldn't want to cause too many problems with their allies with Russia so close to them.
I feel you could be right it's the Poles who did it but I wouldn't be shocked if the USA asked them to and they were like hell yeah of course!
Poland has been itching for a war with Russia for sometime.
It's insane to me, as this whole mess started with Obama's appeasement "reset" plan that was soft on Russia, nixing a NATO missile defense deal.
Poland realized it was a mistake and upped military stance anyway, effectively snubbing the will of Obama anyway.
I guess I'm saying they didn't care about risking escalation before, and they certainly don't now either.
I would remind you that Poland is one of the very few NATO countries to consistently meet their 2% gdp spending commitment. They've been preparing for quite some time and are exceptionally proficient.
https://www.euronews.com/business/2018/07/10/nato-contributions-country-by-country
That's nonsense. Poland didn't know about it, and didn't have the technology to actually dive to the depth.
What leaks and informants we do have said that the US Special Operations forces were pushed into a US Navy exercise in the area, and used that (without the Navy's knowledge) to plant the explosives. After months of planning and argument within the Biden regime. The Biden Regime already warned of the attack, and they didn't want the Germans negotiating with Russia.
They didn't know about the pipeline? Or you are saying they didn't know about the explosion?
Neither makes any sense at all. Of course they aren't going to admit to it.
They absolutely did have the technology to do it, again read the link. They have a ship with seabed mapping and drones for attaching explosives to mines. It's the perfect ship to do the job.
You somehow think the Seals are behind every curtain, but the obvious answer here is the poles.
Some divers and basic demo work doesn't look too hard.
I didn't realize asking for it for Christmas was a "central role". Obama season 3 did it.
So you're telling me Ukraine ordered it and the US followed like a bitch? Because the Ukrainians don't gave the capacity to pull that off but the Americans easily do.
So either admit the US did it or admit that Biden is Zelensky's bitch.
Archived WaPo article:
https://archive.is/oS58G
"integral"
He got the coffee for the US military planners who executed the operation.
People still believe anything from the WaPo?
The only take away I have is that the CIA gave their approval for the WaPo to print this.
But, but, I thought everyone who felt Russia didn't do it was a crazy, dangerous conspiracy theorist!!!
Well, time to move yet another peg from the "conspiracy theory" side of the board to the "conspiracy theorists were right" side of the board. Assuming there's still room for more pegs on that side of the board.
https://news.sky.com/story/russian-ghost-ships-with-underwater-capabilities-circled-nord-stream-explosion-site-documentary-claims-12871910
This isn't a new conspiracy theory put out by the media. The US intelligence agencies were pushing the idea that it was probably Russia, but it could be Ukraine.
In reality, the US committed an act of war against Germany, and has violated the basis of NATO. Unfortunately, there is no way around the fact that the US's behavior was so extreme that it should be thrown out of NATO, this second.
Anti-semitism is on the rise, we need to distract everyone!