ORANGES! Yes! Where would you get Oranges from without Israel!

The supermarket. Duh.

I don't see you popping up like a gopher to defend Israel.

The thing is, if I look at the situation neutrally, it looks like both sides are basically acting in their own best interests, based on their goals.

Hamas are shit for targeting civilians, but they're also religious nuts think that's a reasonable thing to do, and they wouldn't stop at Israel if they managed to win. They'd also get curb stomped if they put on uniforms and marched on Israel, so these guerilla tactics make sense for them. They get to kill some Jews, some get to go to heaven and collect their virgins, it's all good to them. They've got nothing better to do because they live in a shit hole that their ancestors created (with some help from Israel).

The Israeli people, from what I can tell, hate the Palestinians just as much as the Palestinians hate the Israelis, but they aren't bloodthirsty murderers. Instead they're the kind of bully that pushes the line without breaking any rules (or breaking only small ones) until they get a response that they can take to the international stage and say, "look at these crazy people trying to kill all of us!" And they're right that there are a bunch of crazy people trying to kill them, and that Hamas are hiding behind civilians, and that under international law that makes Hamas responsible for those civilian deaths. So I can hardly get worked up if Israel levels entire city blocks that are used by international terrorists who relish in murdering random civilians. The settlements encroaching on Palestinian territory are shitty, but at the same time if I'm Israel, I absolutely want as big a buffer between myself and these crazy savages as possible, so I can hardly fault them for doing it.

But if one side doesn't exterminate the other entirely, it's just going to be a generational cycle of skirmishes because there's never going to be peace. At the time of its creation, I'd have opposed the state of Israel on the grounds that the people whose ancestors left it, left it, and I don't think that some distant relative from generations ago gives you any right to "go back". That logic opens up ridiculous cans of worms that would affect the entire world. But now that it exists, we have multiple generations of "indigenous" Israelis so I think those "indigenous" people have the right to defend their homes. And so do the Palestinians, such that they are.

It's a fucked up situation that I want no part of. That said, since I don't think that either side really contributes meaningfully to the rest of the world, I just don't care about the outcome. The Muslim world will hate and want to rule everyone else regardless of whether Israel or the "Palestinians" exist or not. And weird Zionist Jews that hate and want to rule everyone else will exist whether Israel exists or not.

it would be nice if boomer conservatives thought that way and didnt immediately default to cheering for America invading the Middle East because Middle Eastern leaders didnt accept Rothschild bankers in their country

It's a really bizarre line of argumentation, any time you criticize "certain persons" they flip out and scream "THAT WOULD MAKE YOU THE SAME AS THE LEFT!" like it's some kind of huge gotcha.

"we can't form coalitions to tilt elections, that would make us like the left!"

"we can't advocate to reward our friends and punish our enemies, that would be like the left!"

"we can't deploy lawfare to exercise power, that would be like the left!"

Etc. I wish they would get a new script.

Objectively wrong fag, I'vecalled out that bullshit as well. What pro israel posts? Who here actually buys the israeli media bullshit here? I see one of those for every thousand of you glowing faggots "JOOS RUN THE WORLD REAL SOCIALISM HAS NEVER BEEN TRIED" goon shillery.

I'm sick of you fake, vile goblins trying to forum slide.

You faggots do NOTHING but SERVE the people you CLAIM to hate. You are utterly without value - your goon brigade contributes nothing to discussion but screeching NOOOOSE and JOOOOS, you shits actively bury your heads in the sand regarding leftist poison that you can't throw parentheses around. You promote leftist authoritarian and cultural marxist ideology wearing a different paint and serve as propaganda agents in the same way that "hate crime" hoaxers do.

Get the fuck out.