That is a problem. Misogyny and homophobia are strongly reinforced throughout Ghibli movies.
Done, Tourist opinion detected, automatic 'go yourself and shove your opinions up your own ass' response given
I'd say if there's ANY underlying theme in the films than talking about them individually, I'd probably say environmentalism just not the retarded Greta or just stop oil kind. Since it was HEAVILY implied in films like Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind or Princess Mononoke.
being good stewards of the environment and taking the long view on internal public works, infrastructure, and how it impacts our environment are fundamental and historical nationalist concerns. Nationalists care about preserving, improving, and protecting the nation. A nation is it's people, it's land, and all assets and resources within.
So, develop, preserve, and protect the people, the land, our productive capacity, our resources.
Jewish free-traders and communists know only exploitation and lying. their only concern with environmentalism is using it as a wedge to divide people, divide a nation for easier exploitation.
That was ESPECIALLY hammered in through Nausicaa, in that (spoiler) because of the poisonous top soil, it turns out the insects were slowly purifying the soil and detoxifying it and while the humans mistook them for an encroaching threat, Nausicaa actually understood them that they would stop their attacks or they'd even heal her in the ending.
I can see why the ideological parasites don't want the message of understanding nature and working to develop with it in balance being spread to a younger generation
i'd say two other main themes of all Ghibli movies are "coming of age" (mainly seen in Kiki's Delivery Service) and "fish out of the water" (mainly seen in Spirited Away and Ponyo on the Cliff, which is a literal fish out of the water story lol)
There is no way I am giving this adsense, so before reading any commentary - women cook, clean, and sometimes talk about guys and this is the worst thing that ever was because of marxist words.
Am I saving myself a 20 minute read of pilpulled wordsalad?
Wow, this is amazing. And it fits right in with what I said yesterday on a similar topic. This thread, if you're curious.
I'll say many of the same things here, but expand on it a bit in wake of this crazy person's even more heightened sociopathic indoctrination. As an aside, damn, feminists are awful people.
...men...want girls to "love" boys, women to "love" men, as a necessary prelude to maintain dominance...The "love" for boys and men is what acknowledges the power of men to rule over everyone deemed inferior (women)
Straight up sociopathic. And very resentful. Femcel? Quite possibly, although the indoctrination spreads easily, and women are very susceptible to the programing, so for all I know she could be quite desirable. But that's not the sense I get.
The funny thing is, as I said in the other thread...a lot of the 'women really loving men' thing is a female fantasy. As is all the domination talk, although in this case it's just in the author's imagination. That's also not as important to my key point, but it is delightfully ironic. Her feminist bitching about 'patriarchy' very much resembles female fantasy. Oppress me harder, daddy.
Anyway, to the key point, this is another instance of 'female treats male with anything other than contempt? Doesn't pass the feminist test! Female treats male with love or adoration? INSTAFAIL the feminist test! Women can't like men! But, remember, boys, feminism is for men, too! Join the cult, we totally hate love you!'
Seriously, the main portion of her complain comes down to that there are healthy relationships where people get along. That's it, but looked at through a 'feminist lens.' Also, she's seeing what she wants to see. It's been a while since I've seen the movies (I should again, they're quite good), so I can't list all the details, but it's not like the male characters always 'get the girl' or anything, or that then all the girl does is housework. In fact, due to the female characters often being very independent or having responsibilities outside of a relationship, they often don't end up together at all, and it's bittersweet.
If the stories were what the radfem claims they are, the man would always get the girl, and the girl would ditch all her past responsibilities and just serve the man. That's not what happens. Instead, everyone has some character growth, but often things get in the way. It's kind of the opposite of what she claims.
Also, I found this pretty funny:
In addition, Ghibli female characters tend to be children or teenagers subjected to adult models of sexuality at developmentally inappropriate stages. There tends to be something more than "just friends" implied between a girl and a boy (5-year-old Ponyo and 5-year-old Sosuke, 10-year-old Chihiro and 12-year-old Haku, 13-year-old Sheeta and 12-year-old Pazu, 15-year-old Mononoke and 17-year-old Ashitaka, 18-year-old Sophie and 27-year-old Howl, etc)
All those ages are roughly the same, and the idea that anything sexual is going on is all in the mind of the radfem anyway...yikes? The only big gap is Sophie/Howl and, well, like some of the other stuff...age gaps are a huge turn on...to women.
Children play around with adult relationships, not in a sexual way. They're trying things on, experimenting. Young children will propose to each other, and the like, and be "married." Leave it to a hateful culture warrior to turn childhood exploring of adult roles in a harmless way into 'inappropriate sexualization.' Fuck off.
Regarding the home, girls and women are seen cooking and cleaning. Sophie is a cleaning lady in Howl’s Moving Castle, Satsuki and Mei clean their new house in My Neighbor Totoro, Chihiro cleans the bathhouse in Spirited Away, Kiki cleans the room given to her in Kiki’s Delivery Service, Umi leads the school's clubhouse cleaning in From Up on Poppy Hill, etc. Boys and men rarely help with the work
Most of that is completely detached from any male/female dynamics, some of it is just children doing chores. Is a girl ever cleaning anything, or taking any responsibility anti-feminist? Wait, don't tell me, I know the answer, but it's still depressing to think about.
Sophie is a cleaning lady in Howl’s Moving Castle...
Again...massive female fantasy. And older man with prestige paying attention to a younger woman in a subservient job? Sploosh.
Kiki cleans the room given to her in Kiki’s Delivery Service
I love this one too. It's her room. Is this author really bitching about Kiki cleaning her own room. The only thing that would make this better is if she accused this of being a far-right dogwhistle or something. This is obviously a Jordan Peterson (literally Hitler) callout.
Seriously, a lot of this is just tales of accountability, responsibility, and personal growth. So I can see why a feminist would think it's anti-women.
Lastly, I'll just paste the most relevant parts of my comment from the other thread:
Firstly, this is what a lot of women want. "omg I'm obsessed and deeply in love" is often an aspiration. Secondly, and perhaps more interestingly...I love the mask off moment. "A woman...liking a man? That's not feminist!"
Reminds me of, and I wish I remembered the context, some hellhole being called a feminist utopia, and feminists defending themselves by saying men weren't oppressed enough for it to be feminist. I guess they forgot the propaganda that feminism is for men, too! Hahaha, "this isn't true feminism, because there are still men who haven't been either murdered or enslaved." Nah, fuck off.
That seems to be the goal with anime, too: "Men are still enjoying anime, therefore it's still problematic."
Gotta say, I'm glad we're back to hating feminists explicitly. Feels nostalgic, what with all the other political, economic, and just generally bleak shit that's been going on. Nice to have a nice soft target in delusional and sociopathic radical feminists.
And older man with prestige paying attention to a younger woman in a subservient job? Sploosh.
You pointing this out is fucking hilarious, given that Howl's Moving Castle is based off of... a book! Who was written by... drumroll please... a woman!
Now that this I expect this vapid retard to actually know that. But boy is it telling.
Hilarious, as that echoes something from the other thread too, where there was a video of some harpy bitching about My Dress Up Darling...also written by a woman.
Apparently a large chunk of feminism is blaming patriarchy and misogyny for the works of normal women. Especially in anime, it seems.
men...want girls to "love" boys, women to "love" men, as a necessary prelude to maintain dominance...The "love" for boys and men is what acknowledges the power of men to rule over everyone deemed inferior (women)
You know, I thought the "male gaze" argument was about women feeling insecure when a beautiful woman shows up, but no, it's deeper than that. It turns out feminists are joyless cunts who hate everything that reminds them about their own missery.
They get angry at everything that doesn't celebrate their own mediocrity. If they get triggered by healthy depictions of relationships it's because it reminds them they'll never have that. They aren't jealous of sexier women, they are mad it reminds them they get no male attention, so they try to run down those women into the ground. Women trying to be nice? Internalized patriarchy! They show a genuine effort to get into male hobbies? Pick me!, etc.
Reminder, feminists hate Disney so much, not because muh social control, propaganda or anything like that. But because Disney and most media promised to them they'll get a knight in shining armor literally willing to die for them and that will sweep them out of their feet if they just be themselves. That the world would bend backwards to show them appreciation.
It's a whole level of petty vindictiveness and mass psychosis. They'll rather stay miserable for life than give in to a self-percieved moral? (if you can even call it that) grievance. It's insane. Oh, but don't get fooled, as I said, they aren't mad men are opressing them, they are mad at men not being the prince charming in th exact way they imagined him to be when they were 8 years old. Because otherwise why would they hold muh career in such high regard? They got tricked by the system but they don't mind serving it because it always promises them higher social status like a dangling carrot
Men fear not (sic) that girls and women will be aggressive (Princess Mononoke)...
So you did at least watch it. Are you going to explain why it doesn't contradict what you just said?
...or that girls and women will fight for themselves (Chihiro from Spirited Away, Therru from Gedo Senki, Haru Yoshioka from The Cat Returns, Sophie from Howl's Moving Castle, etc)
So...ignore all these examples too, got it. They also only apparently contradict your position.
...developmentally inappropriate...Ponyo...
Close call there; I was about to let a child watch Ponyo. Thanks for the warning.
...semi-beastiality...
Are Otherkin and Therian Womxn not welcome on Ovarit? That doesn't sound very ~inclusive~.
...a lesbian Ghibli character? In a lesbian relationship?
Are lesbian Otherkin allowed?
Won't somebody think of the children? /s
Wait so, this whole paragraph with `developmentally inappropriate' in the topic sentence, that's to be taken seriously with regard to concern about children, and the /s tag only applies to the thing about lesbians because that would be developmentally appropriate, even though the problem is Ghibli movies have "adult models of sexuality" or something...I think I'm missing one or more layers of sarcasm here. That or this epic feminist theory is just checking my Ghibli fanboy privilege so hard that I can't think straight.
Ghibli movies...present girls and women as creatures more in contact with the home and the forces of the spirit world...
So this guy is a river spirit who guides her through and keeps her safe in the spirit world, Howl is a wizard with a portal to any number of worlds fantastical or mundane, and this guy stays at home with Satsuki and Mei while their mother is in the hospital, but those don't count because...reasons I guess? Also, isn't it received doctrine that Womxn are more spiritually attuned?
...implying that girls and women are alien to human societies
This lady as a leader that fights to encroach on and conquer nature and spirits with breakthrough technology of her own^ design doesn't count because she's a villain, and we can't take a morally nuanced, diegetic view of her character. Or something.
^with help from lepers she rescued and offered a place in her society
[G]irls and women are seen cooking and cleaning. Sophie is a cleaning lady in Howl’s Moving Castle...
What about how ~problematic~ it is that she made a living making pretty hats before that?
Satsuki and Mei clean...Chihiro cleans the bathhouse in Spirited Away, Kiki cleans the room given to her...
What kind of slave mentality does it take to clean a room that some bourgeois capitalist fat-cats let you use for free? But I'm also confused: this seems like a lot of cleaning and fastidity for characters that you just characterized as "alien to society."
Umi leads the school's clubhouse cleaning...
Ignore the leadership position among student societies here.
All jokes and sarcasm aside: anthropologists, historians and (post-woke) critics will be revisiting Ghibli's opus for centuries if not longer. I feel truly fortunate to have lived to witness the advent of such beautiful and culturally megalithic stories.
I respectfully disagree with the popular opinion.
You'd be wrong. And you sound like kind of a dumb bitch...respectfully.
At times, because they are kid's movies with female protags and a childishly simple worldview.
All its missing is them being lesbians for it to be their perfect movie, and I've seen Princess Mononoke called "lesbian coded" before because she obviously was meant to be a butch dyke but they had to hide it.
But remember, cultural marxism is a conspiracy theory.
Done, Tourist opinion detected, automatic 'go yourself and shove your opinions up your own ass' response given
I'd say if there's ANY underlying theme in the films than talking about them individually, I'd probably say environmentalism just not the retarded Greta or just stop oil kind. Since it was HEAVILY implied in films like Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind or Princess Mononoke.
being good stewards of the environment and taking the long view on internal public works, infrastructure, and how it impacts our environment are fundamental and historical nationalist concerns. Nationalists care about preserving, improving, and protecting the nation. A nation is it's people, it's land, and all assets and resources within.
So, develop, preserve, and protect the people, the land, our productive capacity, our resources.
Jewish free-traders and communists know only exploitation and lying. their only concern with environmentalism is using it as a wedge to divide people, divide a nation for easier exploitation.
That was ESPECIALLY hammered in through Nausicaa, in that (spoiler) because of the poisonous top soil, it turns out the insects were slowly purifying the soil and detoxifying it and while the humans mistook them for an encroaching threat, Nausicaa actually understood them that they would stop their attacks or they'd even heal her in the ending.
I can see why the ideological parasites don't want the message of understanding nature and working to develop with it in balance being spread to a younger generation
i'd say two other main themes of all Ghibli movies are "coming of age" (mainly seen in Kiki's Delivery Service) and "fish out of the water" (mainly seen in Spirited Away and Ponyo on the Cliff, which is a literal fish out of the water story lol)
And ironically even though they were 'Sky Pirates' in this film, they treated her as perfect gentleman would and with utmost respect
There is no way I am giving this adsense, so before reading any commentary - women cook, clean, and sometimes talk about guys and this is the worst thing that ever was because of marxist words.
Am I saving myself a 20 minute read of pilpulled wordsalad?
Wow, this is amazing. And it fits right in with what I said yesterday on a similar topic. This thread, if you're curious.
I'll say many of the same things here, but expand on it a bit in wake of this crazy person's even more heightened sociopathic indoctrination. As an aside, damn, feminists are awful people.
Straight up sociopathic. And very resentful. Femcel? Quite possibly, although the indoctrination spreads easily, and women are very susceptible to the programing, so for all I know she could be quite desirable. But that's not the sense I get.
The funny thing is, as I said in the other thread...a lot of the 'women really loving men' thing is a female fantasy. As is all the domination talk, although in this case it's just in the author's imagination. That's also not as important to my key point, but it is delightfully ironic. Her feminist bitching about 'patriarchy' very much resembles female fantasy. Oppress me harder, daddy.
Anyway, to the key point, this is another instance of 'female treats male with anything other than contempt? Doesn't pass the feminist test! Female treats male with love or adoration? INSTAFAIL the feminist test! Women can't like men! But, remember, boys, feminism is for men, too! Join the cult, we totally
hatelove you!'Seriously, the main portion of her complain comes down to that there are healthy relationships where people get along. That's it, but looked at through a 'feminist lens.' Also, she's seeing what she wants to see. It's been a while since I've seen the movies (I should again, they're quite good), so I can't list all the details, but it's not like the male characters always 'get the girl' or anything, or that then all the girl does is housework. In fact, due to the female characters often being very independent or having responsibilities outside of a relationship, they often don't end up together at all, and it's bittersweet.
If the stories were what the radfem claims they are, the man would always get the girl, and the girl would ditch all her past responsibilities and just serve the man. That's not what happens. Instead, everyone has some character growth, but often things get in the way. It's kind of the opposite of what she claims.
Also, I found this pretty funny:
All those ages are roughly the same, and the idea that anything sexual is going on is all in the mind of the radfem anyway...yikes? The only big gap is Sophie/Howl and, well, like some of the other stuff...age gaps are a huge turn on...to women.
Children play around with adult relationships, not in a sexual way. They're trying things on, experimenting. Young children will propose to each other, and the like, and be "married." Leave it to a hateful culture warrior to turn childhood exploring of adult roles in a harmless way into 'inappropriate sexualization.' Fuck off.
Most of that is completely detached from any male/female dynamics, some of it is just children doing chores. Is a girl ever cleaning anything, or taking any responsibility anti-feminist? Wait, don't tell me, I know the answer, but it's still depressing to think about.
Again...massive female fantasy. And older man with prestige paying attention to a younger woman in a subservient job? Sploosh.
I love this one too. It's her room. Is this author really bitching about Kiki cleaning her own room. The only thing that would make this better is if she accused this of being a far-right dogwhistle or something. This is obviously a Jordan Peterson (literally Hitler) callout.
Seriously, a lot of this is just tales of accountability, responsibility, and personal growth. So I can see why a feminist would think it's anti-women.
Lastly, I'll just paste the most relevant parts of my comment from the other thread:
Gotta say, I'm glad we're back to hating feminists explicitly. Feels nostalgic, what with all the other political, economic, and just generally bleak shit that's been going on. Nice to have a nice soft target in delusional and sociopathic radical feminists.
You pointing this out is fucking hilarious, given that Howl's Moving Castle is based off of... a book! Who was written by... drumroll please... a woman!
Now that this I expect this vapid retard to actually know that. But boy is it telling.
Hilarious, as that echoes something from the other thread too, where there was a video of some harpy bitching about My Dress Up Darling...also written by a woman.
Apparently a large chunk of feminism is blaming patriarchy and misogyny for the works of normal women. Especially in anime, it seems.
You know, I thought the "male gaze" argument was about women feeling insecure when a beautiful woman shows up, but no, it's deeper than that. It turns out feminists are joyless cunts who hate everything that reminds them about their own missery.
They get angry at everything that doesn't celebrate their own mediocrity. If they get triggered by healthy depictions of relationships it's because it reminds them they'll never have that. They aren't jealous of sexier women, they are mad it reminds them they get no male attention, so they try to run down those women into the ground. Women trying to be nice? Internalized patriarchy! They show a genuine effort to get into male hobbies? Pick me!, etc.
Reminder, feminists hate Disney so much, not because muh social control, propaganda or anything like that. But because Disney and most media promised to them they'll get a knight in shining armor literally willing to die for them and that will sweep them out of their feet if they just be themselves. That the world would bend backwards to show them appreciation.
It's a whole level of petty vindictiveness and mass psychosis. They'll rather stay miserable for life than give in to a self-percieved moral? (if you can even call it that) grievance. It's insane. Oh, but don't get fooled, as I said, they aren't mad men are opressing them, they are mad at men not being the prince charming in th exact way they imagined him to be when they were 8 years old. Because otherwise why would they hold muh career in such high regard? They got tricked by the system but they don't mind serving it because it always promises them higher social status like a dangling carrot
Oh this should be good. I'll strap in. Tell me about this test.
Posting on a site called "Ovarit" but thinks she invented the Bechdel test.
From "Does something besides X" to "Never does X at all" in the width of a punctuation mark. Goalpost land speed record.
This is going to be a complaint about all the families and children, isn't it.
Oh my mistake. I agree that clearly Ghibli movies are all about fucking.
Mmmyes these college words greatly bolster your argument, which is...remind me again?
Does this one not count or something?
So you did at least watch it. Are you going to explain why it doesn't contradict what you just said?
So...ignore all these examples too, got it. They also only apparently contradict your position.
Close call there; I was about to let a child watch Ponyo. Thanks for the warning.
Are Otherkin and Therian Womxn not welcome on Ovarit? That doesn't sound very ~inclusive~.
Are lesbian Otherkin allowed?
Wait so, this whole paragraph with `developmentally inappropriate' in the topic sentence, that's to be taken seriously with regard to concern about children, and the /s tag only applies to the thing about lesbians because that would be developmentally appropriate, even though the problem is Ghibli movies have "adult models of sexuality" or something...I think I'm missing one or more layers of sarcasm here. That or this epic feminist theory is just checking my Ghibli fanboy privilege so hard that I can't think straight.
So this guy is a river spirit who guides her through and keeps her safe in the spirit world, Howl is a wizard with a portal to any number of worlds fantastical or mundane, and this guy stays at home with Satsuki and Mei while their mother is in the hospital, but those don't count because...reasons I guess? Also, isn't it received doctrine that Womxn are more spiritually attuned?
This lady as a leader that fights to encroach on and conquer nature and spirits with breakthrough technology of her own^ design doesn't count because she's a villain, and we can't take a morally nuanced, diegetic view of her character. Or something.
^with help from lepers she rescued and offered a place in her society
What about how ~problematic~ it is that she made a living making pretty hats before that?
What kind of slave mentality does it take to clean a room that some bourgeois capitalist fat-cats let you use for free? But I'm also confused: this seems like a lot of cleaning and fastidity for characters that you just characterized as "alien to society."
Ignore the leadership position among student societies here.
Checks out - see five girls and only three dudes cleaning here. What a bunch of lay-abouts. I'll bet they make the girls do all the dangerous work on top of that.
All jokes and sarcasm aside: anthropologists, historians and (post-woke) critics will be revisiting Ghibli's opus for centuries if not longer. I feel truly fortunate to have lived to witness the advent of such beautiful and culturally megalithic stories.
You'd be wrong. And you sound like kind of a dumb bitch...respectfully.
Were they ever to be considered "Feminist works of art"?
I only needed to see some of the quotes from the article to realize it's pure trash.
At times, because they are kid's movies with female protags and a childishly simple worldview.
All its missing is them being lesbians for it to be their perfect movie, and I've seen Princess Mononoke called "lesbian coded" before because she obviously was meant to be a butch dyke but they had to hide it.
When you understand Japanese culture you see how wrong they are.