16% of young Christians are LGBT+
(protestia.com)
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I never went with the "born this way" argument, even in my more Leftwing youth.
If homosexuality was so rampant in prisons, then whatever genetic factors cause it, does not suggest that the behavior of specific instance or instances is genetic. A crackhead doesn't suck dick for money because he's a genuine homosexual. Also, if gay men can be in straight relationships for years because their interest is from genetic influence, then it shows that there's going to be some numbers of straight men that are in homosexual relationships out of social conditioning or pressures.
That's what you're really seeing here.
First: straight men being told that their desire for emotional attachments with women in order to be sexually attracted to them is not "being normal and straight", but is instead "anromantic demisexuality" (I didn't make that up).
Second: there's going to be a large number of straight men that have been told "Being pansexual just means that you'll have sex with anyone of any sexuality" and them thinking "Okay, well, I'm going to just do that" because they are men and aren't sorting out their partner's sexualities first. They also have zero homosexual experiences during the entire time they are "pansexual".
Third: the data itself is being collected under social coercion. If you want to not be confronted with negative institutional pressures, or you want an incentive you would otherwise not get, you can identify as any sexuality (including anromantic demisexual), and no once can actually disprove you. Thus, corrupting the data.
Fourth: there is a genetic component to homosexuality. It never seems to drift past a few percentage points. These are homosexuals that actually don't have any interest in the other sex, and have only had homosexual sexual experiences, and have no response to the other sex's secondary sexual characteristics, and sometimes have a disgust reaction to them. These are the gays you take to conversion therapy, and they do a musical about how they won't be tempted to be gay (again, I didn't make that one up either). Everyone past 1-3% is probably straight, and those numbers don't ever seem to change.
There’s no evidence that’s supports being gay is genetic, every single study into it has been a colossal failure. The most we’ve seen as plausible arguments are women hormone fluctuations during pregnancy causing disruptive development of the fetus. This however does not explain identical twins, where almost always if one is gay, the other is not. The current “science” on this theory essentially claims that it’s just because the straight one does not know he’s gay.
Isn't that just so convenient that people "just don't know" that they're gay/trans/etc, and need to be shown the light?
The concept of an "egg" is disgusting and predatory, and I don't know how people don't see this sort of coercive behavior and rightfully shun it.
It's a pretty apt metaphor, though. They want to crack it open, destroying any future potential within.
Yup, and even then, there have been no consistent endocrinology studies to back up that point. If you surf through enough studies, you'll find that the actual premise for that is based on speculative conjecture: https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/152/8/2937/2457178
Basically, it's just guesswork that there might be some endocrines that might affect the orientation of a fetus. And this premise is based entirely on... theorycrafting.
I wish I was making that up.
This is the unfortunate result of “science” having to try and compensate for societal demands
You haven't met my cousin.
Same age as me, we grew up together in rural Idaho in the '80s. He always had slightly weird speech mannerisms and feminine interests (going back to like 4-5 years old). He also had no shortage of friends in rural Idaho despite being a somewhat effeminate dude because he wasn't a narcissistic faggot. Came out as gay in his early 20s and I was completely unsurprised. He's now been married for 15 years.
So I don't know how you'd measure a "genetic" component, but there's definitely something there, at least for some people. And given the amount of repulsion the thought of gay sex gives me, I don't see how a not-actually-gay person could get past that and actually willingly have a gay relationship.
And before you say "must have been molested as a baby" -- I'm just going to say, I doubt it. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.
That’s not genetics… again why I brought forward the only current viable hypothesis, which essentially boils down “it most likely happens during fetus development, but we don’t actually know”. There’s also the harsh reality that there are far more men that engage in sodomy without being “gay” the more it is normalized and accepted.
And we can't know because investigating homosexuality from that angle is "bigotry" and a stepping stone to conversion therapy.
I'm not going to argue the studies, because I think none of the studies have been good. So far, the most we've got is correlations. I still believe there is a non-social explanation to some homosexuality.
I've often found that there seems to be, among the stories of homosexuals and heterosexuals (who were experiencing) a common theme among males that "discovered" they were one way or the other. I call it: "The Dick-In-Mouth Test"
It seems to actually be pretty clear that in their own words, the subjects identified that they were going to try and fool around with a male partner they were comfortable with and there were two reactions:
One: the subject would see the other males dick, have a near insatiable desire to put it in their mouth, and think that this was a good idea.
Two: the subject would (by one way or another) have their friend's dick in their mouth, and immediately decide that this was a bad idea.
One is homosexual. Two is heterosexual.
Nobody seems to have the reaction of: "Meh, I could go either way with this dick in my mouth" or "I'm not sure what to think of this dick in my mouth, but I think I could be persuaded one way or the other, lets give it some time."
Nope, it seems to be pretty clear and pretty consistent in each case.
I tend to think that such a clear reaction for their first homosexual encounter is likely going to be an indicator of a genetic pressure rather than a social pressure.
You don't need to teach a straight guy to like boobs. You also don't need to teach a gay guy to eat dick.
Nature, uh, finds a way.
We have approximately ZERO credible correlations in any field of medical science.
We saw under covid that even DEATHS are manipulated easily. Good luck with anything more nuanced
Instructions unclear: died in a motorcycle accident and became gay
Maybe that's why they're pushing straight men to date troons so hard.
No, that's mostly because troons are horrifically unattractive and can't find dates.
If the Incels were given the same status as troons, they'd act in the same way (except with a lot less genital mutilation and child rape). The hyperaggression and demands that society compensate them would be the same.
Incels specifically, not Volcels or MGTOW.
It was on full display in the Tiger King documentary. He got multiple straight guys to take it up the butt because he had an ample supply of meth the give out.
I doubt that, that's much more of a feminine action.
It's far more likely going to be men who have no social value until they act effeminate, and find that feminine men get social value by default, and access to at-will sex. Easy trade off compared to being unwanted and alone.