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anime tourist/invader doesnt know what "shonen" means (media.scored.co)
posted 2 years ago by yoisi 2 years ago by yoisi +41 / -0
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– SoctaticMethod1 41 points 2 years ago +41 / -0

An anime that features a guy ripping apart creatures with chainsaw blades coming out of his arms and head for the promise of eventually getting laid: for women

There are PLENTY of shows for men, women, the entire family, but takes like this get the response from all, fuck off tourist!

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– yoisi [S] 27 points 2 years ago +27 / -0

she got 1600 likes for this . Fucking anime tourists who dont even know the basics of anime culture. And of course they are from the woke crowd

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– SoctaticMethod1 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

That's 1600 tourists considering that anime/manga market eclipses ALL of the Western comic and animated market. It would do even better if they made distribution of media a lot easier to buy.

The actual fandom is too busy watching and reading stuff because there's too much variety to keep up with, I'm barely watching all the anime I wanted to watch this season alone.

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– evilplushie 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

1600 isn’t much

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– deleted 24 points 2 years ago +24 / -0
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– SoctaticMethod1 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

Laughs as someone who read ahead...

The only way I usually see an 'evil' entity 'winning' in anime and manga is if they are as I like to term, a passive evil

An example of this is Sadako Yamamura from the Ring series, so long as you don't view the tape or make someone else watch it you're fine, any other interaction and you make it worse and even more powerful. This is 'fuck around and find out' territory of DON'T enter the off-limits building, don't summon a demon etc.

A lot of these stories staring manipulators usually end with them either dying, suffering or getting left behind in some karmic way. Not something manipulative bitches want to be reminded of.

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Dying/suffering/etc are not necessarily in opposition to "winning". Code Geass has a couple examples of people who suffer/die/etc, but who would define the end-state as a win. Even evil people. Evil is allowed to accept their own death as a worthy sacrifice to change the world, same as Good is.

I would say there's a good subsection of "Evil" that is allowed to win, beyond horror entities: Nihilists, the suicidal, and though less often also manipulators. Kafka dies laughing madly, pleased as punch at not only his destructive works, but also the works of the heroes killing him.

The key isn't in whether evil gets the W or not, the key is in whether the audience likes the evil character. Manipulators generally speaking are a projection of the author onto a villain, and thus get rather harsh endings to them, for certain, but if the author and their target demographic aren't opposed to the idea (either a manipulator protagonist, or just like the manipulator as a side act) they can often pay off their karma pre-emptively in backstory, or through active payment in-story, and still get a positive ending (Redo of Healer comes to mind, paying the karma in episode 1 to do whatever he wants in the rest of the story, and women gush buckets for that psycho).

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– SoctaticMethod1 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

True but I usually class those as 'revengers' as the author builds up a revenge story to justify their 'vengeance' or they paint the world as 'sick' and only extreme measures can be used to correct it. How much people love the 'evil characters' does impact their karmic returns, just look at Overlord, despite ALL the stuff Demiurge has done, he's probably getting off Scott free with some medal.

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– Adamrises 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

That's usually because writing "active evil" in a way that is compelling is really hard. They either need to have a crippling weakness to allow the story to drag on, which diminishes any real threatening aura they may have, or are a constant villain of inconsistent writing that keeps them making dumb mistakes that makes it impossible to take them seriously to begin with.

And even if you succeed, you have the final risk of "then why is there even a story" where you have to somehow justify them not just finishing the heroes and ending the story every time.

Griffith is a rare example of an "Active Evil" who is competently written and generally avoids all the pitfalls that would plague the character in any other work. But look at how high a bar that is, how many writers are even within a throwing distance of Berserk?

Honestly, its one of the few ways Western Comics has the leg up. Because things can just be decanonized on a whim, or just serialized for a very short "what if" run from the outset. So they can take villains and just make them act like they want to win for once, and not have to worry about the next issue that follows it.

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