Ah so it's race wide but not gender wide, because attacking half of humanity for your sexual frustration is a-ok, but discussing the actual humans that actually own x, y, z, well less than 2% the population, is blaming an entire race for a racewide conspilpul pilpul pilpul pilpul and therefore banned
Oh AND you're an evil stormcuck! Yes, from our "name blame and hate literally half of humanity" moral high chair, we look down our noses at you dirty "angry at the actual actions of the actual owner" scum and your dirty >2%-blamer ways! These "you can just literally look up their names lmao" stormcucks have no moral or intellectual standing!
Interestingly enough, the effect is apparent in plain sight here. A user who represents less than 2% of this forum considers himself the owner, maintains a system of entirely personal ethnicity driven preference, and would rather you blame something like 50%of the users for discussing plain reality.
Also, this one guy (I think it's just him, here?) is gonna become more odious as his tribe loses the war on the internet proper, eventually bringing you to Great Awakening levels of cringe and policing in order to maintain the political narratives they selectively manufacture, unless it is all forcibly eschewed by some populist mechanism.
oh uh, all the above an individual basis, tho, of course, in accordance to the rule
It's not even race-wide, since even there it's not applied equally. Any slur against Jews will be assumed to mean all Jews, and thus a violation of Rule 16*, but terms like "nigger" are somehow fine.
I thought we didn't believe in hate speech here?! I don't care if it's a slur or not, people should be able to say it. Talk shit about Jews, blacks, whites, who the fuck cares? They're words. I'm not arguing "stormcuckry" is polite, but it is speech, and I don't think rules should be used in a targeted fashion against certain speech.
Mods need to butt the fuck out. It's a nonissue.
* Rule 16, again for the people in the back, is pants-on-head retarded to begin with, and needs to be abolished. No one likes or wants it, and there's no pressure from the site to have it in effect. But that's a separate issue, thus the footnote.
You went off for a whole thread about how certain attacks were deemed R16 violations when regarding Jews, while other similar attacks weren't. Your logic didn't hold up.
Also, I'm not who you seem to think I am; I just like free speech, and true equality. I think there are some issues with "the Jews," but I'm not heavy into it.
And R16 is and always will be retarded, and needs to be done away with. Moderate calls to violence, spam, porn, but otherwise leave off. I couldn't give a shit if people are rude, up to and including attacking "identity groups," whatever the fuck that is.
Quit making shit up.
I don't do that shit, bitch. Never have, never will. Heck, I often get downvoted for being too nuanced.
You've said yourself you don't want to be a heavy handed moderator...well, nothing is saying you have to be. Just chill out.
Not sure where you get off coming after me, especially in mod voice. And especially since we've generally gotten along. I'm saying my opinion, I think it's backed up by actions, and I stand by said opinion.
I apologize for making you angry. My issue is that every single one of these "Rule 16" threads is entirely around bad faith arguments about how I would never in my life enforce Rule 16 equally because I hate white people and I'm jew. Normally coming from people who explicitly support censorship, hate free expression, and would harass anyone who disagreed with them, going well past the point of telling them to kill themselves.
What I see from you is the same false claim. That I don't enforce Rule 16 against anything but Jews, despite it literally being a daily question in my life that I actually work at to make sure I enforce equally.
My problem is that: "Fuck you, you're just a fucking kike nigger-lover that wants to replace white people, kill yourself." is a really grating response from people who are diametrically opposed to any sort of honest conversation and uncensored. And would be happy putting a bullet in my fucking head after saying that they are not the avatars of white people.
That is not your response, and you honestly believe your complaint to be true, but it is false. It is one of many false complaints that I get, mostly from people with the intention of turning KiA into a racist shithole, and driving you off the forum for being a "jewish enabler".
I'm speaking in my mod voice because I'm giving explanations to my moderating behavior. It's not a threat.
That's weird, because I've approved comments which called jews kikes.
Funny considering how one of my comments you removed was about how you can call a Jew any number of slurs but apparently they don't enjoy being called a Jew. Curious.
I have never once removed a single comment from this forum for someone calling someone a jew, even if they aren't jews. Never. In fact, I've explicitly told White Nationalists "you can call people jews" while they were echo-posting because they thought they couldn't.
I removed your post because Gobbels quote was about how jews are inherently inferior and trying to destroy civilization.
Yes, they are worth banning if they are pushing the idea that white women are operating as a collective cabal, or are inherently morally inferior.
That's why Imp was banned, again.
But look, if you don't report it, I'm probably not going to see it. And yes, sometimes I miss shit. That's my bad. Thing is, if it violates the rules, it violates the rules.
For the third time in almost as many months or something. Plus however many times before that. Almost like it's a character feature with him which begs the question why bother just keep banning him over and over instead of letting him stew in his personal board forever. 🙄
Because I try to keep the same approach with removals as everyone else. Increasing ban times that allow for people to make adjustments if they so chose. And they have the ability to come back and try again later if they aren't a full-scale utter fuck-up.
Replying separately instead of editing to add that I' shaking my fucking head at the mod of a gamergate forum who would rather ban users for badmouthing women than let le heckin hatred spread.
How long did the forum collectively spend bitching about the nonexistence of hate speech, coping with gamergaters being treated as a hate group, and about how the mods at reddit were selectively deleting posts and enforcing rules?
Are you smelling what I'm cooking, here? Seriously. It is all just so transparent and clear and cyclical.
Yknow people change over time and sometimes they discover they feel differently about stuff than they thought they did. Sometimes they find that suddenly they no longer fuckin belong! It is sad and yet majestic, it's life and growth and in my opinion it could fill the body of "goodbye cruel forum" letter that would leave free human expression enjouers everywhere teary eyed.
This is not hate speech. I have never accused anyone of hate speech. I already replied to you about Conquest's Second Law elsewhere.
No one in GamerGate ever argued that "Women in gaming was a strategy imposed by women to eradicate men's spaces, as part of their sexual war on men, and their innate inferiority as a sub-species." If you remember correctly, we had a "#NotYourShield" campaign to explicitly reject the oppositional-dialectic that the SJWs were using to defend themselves.
You're trying to argue that GamerGate was about needing to express how much we hate women, when it was a consumer revolt against corruption, fraud, and nepotism.
charges were filed against this total dood and therefore authorities are absolved in the matter of claims of bias
If world class propagandists cant pull it off with the general public what makes you think the effort is so appropriate with gamergaters. Why not release the Imp and then allow people to commit thought crime?
If your opinion is that decorum (as seen by you) trumps expression, then why do you feel it is appropriate to be a mod here where the values are completely inverted from that?
I sound capricious saying so but reddit is n dire need of mods with values that jive with yours and there is a vacuum there. It feels like you fled to escape exactly what you are doing. You wanted to badmouth women and trannies at a level that reddit suppressed and you moved here, where people want to badmouth jews at a level that you suppress. It is hypocritical.
World class propagandists have institutionalized it into every history book in the US. Fuck, sociology didn't believe that "Left Wing Authoritarianism" was physically possible for *decades.
Decorum doesn't trump expression, because expression isn't silenced by decorum restrictions. Viewpoints can't be prevented with basic decorum.
You wanted to badmouth women and trannies at a level that reddit suppressed and you moved here, where people want to badmouth jews at a level that you suppress.
I wanted a place where dissent can exist. I literally have a fucking Kafka Rule that AoV was perma-banned for violating, that I can't tell anyone what it is because that's why he got banned. Fuck, KIA 1 had to just ban all conversations on transgenderism because it's too fucking risky. I didn't come here because "I hate women" or whatever.
The limitation is on Leftist meta-narratives (because Robert Conquest's 2nd Rule), glowie nonsense, and basic-bitch forum clean up (like no porn). This shit isn't hard to deal with. Just focus on making arguments that don't revolve around dialect-oppositional meta-narratives, and you're good.
For the sheer amount of shit he keeps on spamming he'd be banned anywhere.
It doesn't even matter if his obsession is women.
If hotdogs were his thing and he replied every thread talking about how hotdogs are awesome, with several replies, frequently derailing threads into hotdog discussion, he would still be banned anywhere. What he does is nothing more than spamming.
One thing I've noticed in many political/personality/drama/identity forums is that a village idiot is often tolerated to give the other members a communal punching bag. Impy is more monotonous spam than idiot, but his un-nuanced monocausal obsession crosses the duncehat threshold. I don't pay close attention here 75% of the year, but I haven't noticed any other persistent derailers. Tolerating blatantly IQ-damaging commentators who don't outright break rules will sink any community.
Ah so it's race wide but not gender wide, because attacking half of humanity for your sexual frustration is a-ok, but discussing the actual humans that actually own x, y, z, well less than 2% the population, is blaming an entire race for a racewide conspilpul pilpul pilpul pilpul and therefore banned
Oh AND you're an evil stormcuck! Yes, from our "name blame and hate literally half of humanity" moral high chair, we look down our noses at you dirty "angry at the actual actions of the actual owner" scum and your dirty >2%-blamer ways! These "you can just literally look up their names lmao" stormcucks have no moral or intellectual standing!
Interestingly enough, the effect is apparent in plain sight here. A user who represents less than 2% of this forum considers himself the owner, maintains a system of entirely personal ethnicity driven preference, and would rather you blame something like 50%of the users for discussing plain reality.
Also, this one guy (I think it's just him, here?) is gonna become more odious as his tribe loses the war on the internet proper, eventually bringing you to Great Awakening levels of cringe and policing in order to maintain the political narratives they selectively manufacture, unless it is all forcibly eschewed by some populist mechanism.
oh uh, all the above an individual basis, tho, of course, in accordance to the rule
It's not even race-wide, since even there it's not applied equally. Any slur against Jews will be assumed to mean all Jews, and thus a violation of Rule 16*, but terms like "nigger" are somehow fine.
I thought we didn't believe in hate speech here?! I don't care if it's a slur or not, people should be able to say it. Talk shit about Jews, blacks, whites, who the fuck cares? They're words. I'm not arguing "stormcuckry" is polite, but it is speech, and I don't think rules should be used in a targeted fashion against certain speech.
Mods need to butt the fuck out. It's a nonissue.
* Rule 16, again for the people in the back, is pants-on-head retarded to begin with, and needs to be abolished. No one likes or wants it, and there's no pressure from the site to have it in effect. But that's a separate issue, thus the footnote.
That's weird, because I've approved comments which called jews kikes.
Quit making shit up.
You went off for a whole thread about how certain attacks were deemed R16 violations when regarding Jews, while other similar attacks weren't. Your logic didn't hold up.
Also, I'm not who you seem to think I am; I just like free speech, and true equality. I think there are some issues with "the Jews," but I'm not heavy into it.
And R16 is and always will be retarded, and needs to be done away with. Moderate calls to violence, spam, porn, but otherwise leave off. I couldn't give a shit if people are rude, up to and including attacking "identity groups," whatever the fuck that is.
I don't do that shit, bitch. Never have, never will. Heck, I often get downvoted for being too nuanced.
You've said yourself you don't want to be a heavy handed moderator...well, nothing is saying you have to be. Just chill out.
Not sure where you get off coming after me, especially in mod voice. And especially since we've generally gotten along. I'm saying my opinion, I think it's backed up by actions, and I stand by said opinion.
Fine.
I apologize for making you angry. My issue is that every single one of these "Rule 16" threads is entirely around bad faith arguments about how I would never in my life enforce Rule 16 equally because I hate white people and I'm jew. Normally coming from people who explicitly support censorship, hate free expression, and would harass anyone who disagreed with them, going well past the point of telling them to kill themselves.
What I see from you is the same false claim. That I don't enforce Rule 16 against anything but Jews, despite it literally being a daily question in my life that I actually work at to make sure I enforce equally.
My problem is that: "Fuck you, you're just a fucking kike nigger-lover that wants to replace white people, kill yourself." is a really grating response from people who are diametrically opposed to any sort of honest conversation and uncensored. And would be happy putting a bullet in my fucking head after saying that they are not the avatars of white people.
That is not your response, and you honestly believe your complaint to be true, but it is false. It is one of many false complaints that I get, mostly from people with the intention of turning KiA into a racist shithole, and driving you off the forum for being a "jewish enabler".
I'm speaking in my mod voice because I'm giving explanations to my moderating behavior. It's not a threat.
Funny considering how one of my comments you removed was about how you can call a Jew any number of slurs but apparently they don't enjoy being called a Jew. Curious.
I have never once removed a single comment from this forum for someone calling someone a jew, even if they aren't jews. Never. In fact, I've explicitly told White Nationalists "you can call people jews" while they were echo-posting because they thought they couldn't.
I removed your post because Gobbels quote was about how jews are inherently inferior and trying to destroy civilization.
Let's ask Impy about that. Oh wait, he's been banned for 24 days for this exact fucking reason.
What about all of the attacks on white women? Are those not identity based attacks worthy of banning?
Yes, they are worth banning if they are pushing the idea that white women are operating as a collective cabal, or are inherently morally inferior.
That's why Imp was banned, again.
But look, if you don't report it, I'm probably not going to see it. And yes, sometimes I miss shit. That's my bad. Thing is, if it violates the rules, it violates the rules.
For the third time in almost as many months or something. Plus however many times before that. Almost like it's a character feature with him which begs the question why bother just keep banning him over and over instead of letting him stew in his personal board forever. 🙄
Because I try to keep the same approach with removals as everyone else. Increasing ban times that allow for people to make adjustments if they so chose. And they have the ability to come back and try again later if they aren't a full-scale utter fuck-up.
Replying separately instead of editing to add that I' shaking my fucking head at the mod of a gamergate forum who would rather ban users for badmouthing women than let le heckin hatred spread.
How long did the forum collectively spend bitching about the nonexistence of hate speech, coping with gamergaters being treated as a hate group, and about how the mods at reddit were selectively deleting posts and enforcing rules?
Are you smelling what I'm cooking, here? Seriously. It is all just so transparent and clear and cyclical.
Yknow people change over time and sometimes they discover they feel differently about stuff than they thought they did. Sometimes they find that suddenly they no longer fuckin belong! It is sad and yet majestic, it's life and growth and in my opinion it could fill the body of "goodbye cruel forum" letter that would leave free human expression enjouers everywhere teary eyed.
This is not hate speech. I have never accused anyone of hate speech. I already replied to you about Conquest's Second Law elsewhere.
No one in GamerGate ever argued that "Women in gaming was a strategy imposed by women to eradicate men's spaces, as part of their sexual war on men, and their innate inferiority as a sub-species." If you remember correctly, we had a "#NotYourShield" campaign to explicitly reject the oppositional-dialectic that the SJWs were using to defend themselves.
You're trying to argue that GamerGate was about needing to express how much we hate women, when it was a consumer revolt against corruption, fraud, and nepotism.
If world class propagandists cant pull it off with the general public what makes you think the effort is so appropriate with gamergaters. Why not release the Imp and then allow people to commit thought crime?
If your opinion is that decorum (as seen by you) trumps expression, then why do you feel it is appropriate to be a mod here where the values are completely inverted from that?
I sound capricious saying so but reddit is n dire need of mods with values that jive with yours and there is a vacuum there. It feels like you fled to escape exactly what you are doing. You wanted to badmouth women and trannies at a level that reddit suppressed and you moved here, where people want to badmouth jews at a level that you suppress. It is hypocritical.
World class propagandists have institutionalized it into every history book in the US. Fuck, sociology didn't believe that "Left Wing Authoritarianism" was physically possible for *decades.
Decorum doesn't trump expression, because expression isn't silenced by decorum restrictions. Viewpoints can't be prevented with basic decorum.
I wanted a place where dissent can exist. I literally have a fucking Kafka Rule that AoV was perma-banned for violating, that I can't tell anyone what it is because that's why he got banned. Fuck, KIA 1 had to just ban all conversations on transgenderism because it's too fucking risky. I didn't come here because "I hate women" or whatever.
The limitation is on Leftist meta-narratives (because Robert Conquest's 2nd Rule), glowie nonsense, and basic-bitch forum clean up (like no porn). This shit isn't hard to deal with. Just focus on making arguments that don't revolve around dialect-oppositional meta-narratives, and you're good.
unjustly.
justify your continued pushing of reddit-tier rules on this non-reddit website.
For the sheer amount of shit he keeps on spamming he'd be banned anywhere.
It doesn't even matter if his obsession is women.
If hotdogs were his thing and he replied every thread talking about how hotdogs are awesome, with several replies, frequently derailing threads into hotdog discussion, he would still be banned anywhere. What he does is nothing more than spamming.
One thing I've noticed in many political/personality/drama/identity forums is that a village idiot is often tolerated to give the other members a communal punching bag. Impy is more monotonous spam than idiot, but his un-nuanced monocausal obsession crosses the duncehat threshold. I don't pay close attention here 75% of the year, but I haven't noticed any other persistent derailers. Tolerating blatantly IQ-damaging commentators who don't outright break rules will sink any community.