"I'm a half-Asian that grew up in a solid red area and I never thought about race until high school so idk what the director of Elemental is talking about" Silence
"Max Landis seems like a jerk but the accusations against him don't meet the definition of rape" This resulted in a girl getting extremely pissed off so I had to make peace for 15 minutes
"Hunter Biden is obviously laundering money through the painting hobby he started last week" Tepid agreement
"Male and female characters obviously behave differently and you can't just swap them into each other's stories" "Hahaaa I don't know, I just like this character doing her thing"
"Obviously cancel culture exist, we wouldn't be able to have any frank conversations if they were publicized to millions of people" "Yeah fair point" Silence
"If that female pastor is ordained, that's illegal according to church rules" Crossed arms staring at the ceiling
Before a few years ago, I've never had the problem of being too obviously right in political discussions. That's because I used to cling to dumb ideas myself, like the Iraq invasion, but at least I had a little wriggle room (democracy is a good thing for the Middle East! just give it time!). There are too many positions on the left today that are indefensible if you're not a psychopath. I guess I'm thankful my lib friends are still genuine friends and retain a shred of integrity.
If you were wrong, they wouldn’t get mad.
A few of my friends lean to the left and I have learned that constantly pushing certain political conversations when it is clear we won't agree will eventually destroy my friendships with them.
I have convinced my left leaning friends that the left is currently pushing transgenderism in schools and that it is going way too far and that trans surgeries for kids are horrific ideas. I have also gotten them to agree that the mainstream media is constantly pushing propaganda and that feminism gives women way too many advantages. My friends are Asian like me and they agree that the left pushing affirmative action and DEI is horrific. They don't like the leftists pushing cancel culture and silencing people for opinions. They don't want to see Biden vs Trump as the two nominees in 2024 which I definitely agree with them on.
It is not too bad in terms of finding common ground.
Talking about COVID, gun control and Trump is where their otherwise sane opinions goes to hell. They refuse to acknowledge the ramifications of the lockdowns and how shitty the COVID vaxxes are. They still think gun control can help reduce gun violence despite seeing statistics of how gun free zones leads to more gun fatalities. They also really want to see Trump rotting away or receiving the death penalty and I disagree with them on that.
Why are Asians in America so left leaning and heavily Democrat? (except Vietnamese, in my experience)
I can help shed some light on this.
One aspect is that Asians in America are vastly more educated than any ethnic group. We both know that academia has been completely taken over by leftist extremists.
Too many of my fellow Asian Americans have foolishly fallen for leftist propaganda in academia.
Another problem is that the Republican party has the stigma of being seen as the White/racist party. Donald Trump becoming the flagbearer of the party has certainly hurt the GOP with Asians. The GOP will definitely improve with Asians somewhat as soon as the nominee is not Donald Trump.
Most Asians have no respect for Trump's abrasive and often unintelligent manner of speaking.
They care a lot about optics.
I have personally seen much more racism from the left when I disagree with them than from the right.
The only actual racists I have interacted with on the right are the delusional White nationalists/groypers who think it is possible to form a white ethnostate. They are a tiny minority of powerless individuals screaming into the void. The left paints the entire right using this small set of clowns.
Meanwhile, the left will say you are not even a minority if you oppose any of their orthodoxies.
The Vietnamese are an exception because they fled a communist shithole and are staunchly anti-communist. Other Asian groups don't generally share that anti-communist experience.
Koreans, Indians, Chinese, Japanese, Filipinos, Pakistanis, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankans are all sadly very left-leaning.
My left leaning Asian American friends dislike Biden and they said they will not ever vote for him again UNLESS Trump is the GOP nominee again in 2024.
We just need enough normies to not vote for Biden. Normies staying home is all we need to win 2024.
Normies will disturbingly come out in droves for Biden if Trump is the nominee again.
My friends don't like DeSantis much and they won't ever vote for him but in a Biden vs DeSantis race, they have said they will not go vote.
These people certainly dislike Biden but they absolutely hate Trump on a visceral level.
Trump's manner of speaking and his optics are frankly disgusting to educated voters.
This is sadly the state of the normies.
We can hate the normies all we want but winning is what we should prioritize.
We must adapt or we will lose.
We can beat Biden with DeSantis or with Youngkin or with even Tim Scott. We won't be beating him with Trump in 2024.
The choice is clear. Do we want to beat Biden with a different candidate or do we want to lose and then blame it on voter fraud because we nominated Dem lightning rod Donald Trump?
The media will create the same hate of desantis that they did of trump.
Whoever the R candidate is, is the next hitler, while the previous one is revived and honoured.
Look at how even desantis is, Trump at least hugged the gay flag and is friends with Jenner, desantis is an absolute nazi! Oh sure trump wanted a wall but look at all these kids desantis is locking up....
The sad state of the normies is that they listen to the urinalists.
The media will certainly try this with every GOP nominee but the normies have such an innate and abnormal level of hatred for Trump that it is just not possible to make them hate another Republican more than Trump.
I agree that any future GOP nominee will be constantly smeared by the MSM but the level of seething hatred that Trump automatically inspires in normies cannot be matched by someone else.
I know people who I am certain will hate Trump thirty years from now even after he has been dead for years. I have never seen anything like this hatred in three decades.
Bush and thatcher. Thatcher is older yes, but the hatred is still palpable, even in new generations of lefties. The bush hate was up there tho.
You say this shit like any of the trump hate isn't based on a coordinated media campaign, AND like BIDEN actually won through votes, rather than fraud.
Are you confused? Have you been living under a rock?
Biden did not win. Any republican candidate allowed to win by the uniparty is almost certainly a cretin on the level of mccain at best - there to do nothing but allow acclimitization to the current frog boiling temperature, and kick off another decades war to use for profit and propaganda.
Bingo. Trump isn't the Bad Orange Man, they made him into that via total control of his image in the media. They will use this same engine against any candidate who isn't a member of the uniparty club. If they don't do it to someone then you know the fix is in.
If you haven't figured it out yet, people lie. Especially about politics. And especially leftists.
I'd think an Asian would know about saving face. They're not going to openly tell you that you were right about Trump, or that they're going to vote for him this time. They're going to tell you exactly what you said, never Trump.
This is why the voting booth is secret, so people don't have to face consequences of other people knowing their vote.
There's a lot of people who say they despise Trump's manner and often they are the ones most enamored and persuaded by it - being anti is a defense against what they secretly desire. Like how in the 90s the Republican congressmen that were most rabidly anti-gay were themselves gay.
People just don't get that worked up without a reason, and just being crude and inarticulate is rarely enough to explain it.
I disagree with your general apathy on elections and with your statement trying to connect DeSantis to the WEF. He has never attended any WEF event and he has consistently pushed policy that undermines their Davos agenda.
I think winning 2024 definitely matters and it is clear how we can make that happen. Just nominate someone other than Trump and make the election a referendum on Biden. Trump is the only guy who automatically makes any election he is involved in a referendum on himself.
I will join you in apathy if Trump is nominated again.
I don't want to see him lose in 2024 and have his most ardent supporters redo J6 and ruin their lives for no reason.
I connect DeSantis to Israel...
You can't do anything with Educated voters at this point. They don't believe in reality. Worse, many are well within the establishment knowledge machine.
Winning them over is like winning over single women: It's not going to happen, and none of them are going to even consider voting Trump, DeSantis, Bush, Romeny, or Pence. Not happening. You have to basically Demographically Replace them. Marry off the single women, and stop sending kids to colleges. These are the groups of people who think Covid Camps were moral.
Yeah, I've been harping on election integrity for a while, but I simply can't deny that Biden got at least 75 million votes. My god, every single communist basically voted Joe Biden. 3rd Party Turnout fucking vanished. 85 million? Hell no. 75 million? No question.
They want the President to be a "Head of State" figure, more than a "Head of Government" one. They want him to be a stoic, eloquent, patient leader. Trump comes off as none of those things, though he is significantly less bombastic than he was in 2016 (which is what surprised a lot on the right). He is trying to win over more normies.
I don't see that. We can stand here and argue about the Covid jab, but the truth is most people got injected, and most people even put up with lockdowns. Hardly anyone, Left or Right, was entirely anti-lockdown and anti-injection from the beginning. I seriously doubt any of that has hurt him. When it comes to older populations? That issue is doubly so. Older populations were much more in support of injections, masks, and lockdowns because they felt it was a more direct threat to them.
I haven't seen any "opportunism" with the protestors, either. There's literally less than nothing he can do. Any attention he does give them will only agitate the psychos more and promote more violence against the hostages. The more you want to help them, the more they will be abused. If Trump said, "It pains me terribly to see what they've done to these protestors!", the prisoners would start getting executed in their cells just to drive the point home. If the cartel takes your family, you don't tell them you'll do anything to get them back.
You made our "fringe" belief in a white ethnostate that much more compelling. If Asians as a majority can't even side with milquetoast gop whites what chance do we have of getting them to actually repect us and our home on real terms? What do we have to gain with more people that want to take our 2nd amendment and support more communism. Asians can leave our country since it's clear they don't respect our founding constitutional values.
Multiculturalism has failed.
You don't have a white ethnostate and you never did.
White isn't even an ethnic group.
You should probably stop living in an explicitly and intentionally philosophically Liberal country.
Anglo Protestant ethnostate. European ethnostate.
European isn't an ethnostate.
Anglo Protestant ethnostates can exist. Unfortunately, what you are trying to refer to is Wales, which is supposed to be an Anglo Protestant Kingdom, which is a Leftist shithole.
If you wanted to refer to England, that would actually be an Anglo-Saxon Protestant Kingdom.
Yeah, that's what America used to be until the 20th century.
America up until about 1990 was by race a European ethnostate.
I can only assume this is because the anti-communist Koreans didn't immigrate.
Everybody who fought in Vietnam knows how fucking brutal the South Korean Marines were to the NVA and VC.
Even the anti-communist chinese are complete bugs and boot licker collectivists. I don't want to live in a place run like Singapore any more than I want to live in a place run by ISIS or Latin Americans.
We are not the same, and just because Asians don't commit so many crimes and other model minority stuff doesn't mean we're all getting along.
I don't know if this is cause or effect, but around here they found opportunity in the Democrat party. I don't know if Republicans drove them off or what that would be about, but where you see the organized Asian politicians is in that party. They have some pull, though not as much as the blacks.
That's a really impressive list actually. I gave you some heat this week but apparently you're more reasonable in real life than on this board. I would guess they also bring up politics from time to time because there's no way you could've gained ground on all those issues if you were the only one talking about them.
Because they're Asians I'd also guess that most of them have fairly traditional parents who might vote Democrat, but at least grounded their psyches in reality enough that they can't get full blown brain rot.
The friend group I'm talking about used to have more political conversations, but that was before Biden got really demented. Now we just talk about pop culture stuff as if this was 2012 and politics is a sideshow. I think there's a certain level of embarrassment there. The closest we get is discussions of fictional characters and how movies and TV are sliding down into decadent hell, and while they get uncomfortable about anything that touches on race-swapping, nobody champions diversity.
Also one guy that served as sort of a realist conduit disappeared behind the Great Firewall of China. I hope nobody found VPN on his computer or something.
Interesting, do they acknowledge the virus was engineered?
Well fucking duh.
You have to be much more subversive. You can always find the points where you agree, and work from there.
They are literally emotionally conditioned to be triggered in response to you saying anything that is counter to the narrative. They are emotionally dependent upon their politics. You have to let them undermine their own positions.
It’s because they’re mad at you for not playing along with society’s increasingly obnoxious veneer of malice and incompetence.
Get new friends NOW. This is stage 1 of them ostracizing you from the group. You will be ejected when you inevitably step on a social policy landmine, of which there are many.
Say something completely innocent AND FACTUALLY CORRECT like, "George Floyd died of a fentanyl overdose and the autopsy showed no sign of strangulation" and they will lose their fucking minds like the aliens from They Live.
George Floyd is definitely close to the ultimate taboo. That's just one step removed from giving them a primer on Jared Taylor. Defcon 1 is calling out the Hebrews.
I'd generally agree with you, but the good thing is that these friendships were made when the blue side wasn't full of pod people. We like talking about art and there's still a sense that relationships are more important than random life BS, including politics. Can't say the same for a lot of people I knew 10 years ago... just these ones.
There's problem number one, you should've pushed back just as hard and told this girl that getting outraged ginned up over hearsay is only making rape accusations less meaningful, not more.
Man, that takes me back. I was deadset against the war, my crazy uncle had been the one who made sure I understood the scam that went on during desert storm. But it was eye-opening how readily people were willing to go back to spitting on soldiers and calling them 'baby killers' even after agreeing that those acts helped no one during Vietnam.
I have friends, but
I'd rather be right than have friends. If literally nobody will be my friend over my political beliefs, then I wont' have any friends.
At the same time, you don't beat people over the head with it. My one friend is kind of a utopian dreamer libertarian liberal thing. He has cool ideas, and I don't hold it against him that i don't think they will work.
Move somewhere sane and make sane friends.
If you have this many libs around you in your daily life, understand that they WILL turn on you and literally murder you if the hive mind demands it.
You need a better life.
This critique isn't completely off base.