My GF and I were considering buying the new Lexus EV RZ450e. She currently drives a Lexus hybrid. Neither of us are environmentalists at all, the sole purpose of the EV was to have lower cost-per-mile as a commuter car & bc I didn't want her to get a Tesla.
But after I did more research - the huge battery pack in EVs does NOT last over long timeframes. You can still drive a ICE car that is 20 years old, no problem. But an EV isn't going to last because the battery degrades over time. And replacing the battery is so expensive it isn't realistic to do on an old, depreciated car anyway.
Even if you don't keep your car 10+ years, this still matters because it means EVs will depreciate far more aggressively than ICE cars, because the buyer knows that he's buying limited battery life.
She also got in an accident in her hybrid and what would have been maybe a $2k repair turned into an $8-9k repair, and on top of that a lot of repair shops wouldn't even touch it out of fear of dealing with the battery.
It's compartmentalized environmentalism. The child slaves mining the rare earth needed for EVs in African strip mines are intentionally left out by the 'carbon footprint calculations' and ESG posturing of the anointed. It's even blinder than business-as-usual, because everyone's eating the peeling lead-based green paint chips peeling off the greenwashed business model with gusto. It's sweet like candy and nobody wants to say that these new practices are at least equally destructive compared to traditional technologies.
All the Anointed want is a dream of a clean green grid, paid for by taxing the existing infrastructure past the point of collapse, so they can ride around in their carbon-neutral EVs which will be powered by wind, sun, and unicorn farts-- while the world spins ever closer to a Great Collapse.
I think I know how the rank and file Romans felt as their world teetered towards the trade collapse that preceded the Dark Ages.
And every video I've seen of Lithium mines is literally children just digging out of the ground with damn near their bare hands. Like that's the dirty secret behind all these EV batteries.
The quantity of lithium needed for 10 years of driving an EV vs the quantity of oil required for 10 years of driving an ICE vehicle is not really comparable.
Yea, batteries are consumables. That's the huge downside of all that electric mobility crap like cars and bikes.
That's IMHO what most of this "for the climate" nonsense is about: it's a grift, a money grab and further wealth redistribution from the bottom and middle to the top.
Between devaluation, planned obsolescence and making it economically unfeasible to resell used products those who are pushing these "green" energies are set up to profit MASSIVELY.
It's planned obsolescence on a massive scale. Apparently environment-death-cultists haven't figured out that the best way to preserve the environment is to build things that last.
First car I owned wasn't work fixing at 140k. Rust panels on the sides, alignment that couldn't be fixed so you had to drive with the wheel turned to one side, and like 6 other things wrong with it.
I bought a Prius...and the battery pack is still good 14 years later...I think it's at 250k now?
I don't really trust "research" on this stuff because it's typically a whole lot of crap. None of the b.s.ing on about the Prius turned out to be true. There's a couple of things I dislike about it...none of those things were what the online crowd was whining on about though. Literally all the things they said were bad about it weren't true, and all the things that actually were bad on it weren't mentioned online.
My GF and I were considering buying the new Lexus EV RZ450e. She currently drives a Lexus hybrid. Neither of us are environmentalists at all, the sole purpose of the EV was to have lower cost-per-mile as a commuter car & bc I didn't want her to get a Tesla.
But after I did more research - the huge battery pack in EVs does NOT last over long timeframes. You can still drive a ICE car that is 20 years old, no problem. But an EV isn't going to last because the battery degrades over time. And replacing the battery is so expensive it isn't realistic to do on an old, depreciated car anyway.
Even if you don't keep your car 10+ years, this still matters because it means EVs will depreciate far more aggressively than ICE cars, because the buyer knows that he's buying limited battery life.
She also got in an accident in her hybrid and what would have been maybe a $2k repair turned into an $8-9k repair, and on top of that a lot of repair shops wouldn't even touch it out of fear of dealing with the battery.
“Good luck everybody!”
“I turn now!”
Well lithium is strip mined, so no it's not better.
I love how people selectively ignore how some of these "green" things are actually made. And also what happens to them when they expire.
It's compartmentalized environmentalism. The child slaves mining the rare earth needed for EVs in African strip mines are intentionally left out by the 'carbon footprint calculations' and ESG posturing of the anointed. It's even blinder than business-as-usual, because everyone's eating the peeling lead-based green paint chips peeling off the greenwashed business model with gusto. It's sweet like candy and nobody wants to say that these new practices are at least equally destructive compared to traditional technologies.
All the Anointed want is a dream of a clean green grid, paid for by taxing the existing infrastructure past the point of collapse, so they can ride around in their carbon-neutral EVs which will be powered by wind, sun, and unicorn farts-- while the world spins ever closer to a Great Collapse.
I think I know how the rank and file Romans felt as their world teetered towards the trade collapse that preceded the Dark Ages.
Lithium mining also requires ridiculous amounts of water.
And every video I've seen of Lithium mines is literally children just digging out of the ground with damn near their bare hands. Like that's the dirty secret behind all these EV batteries.
We had a lithium battery factory go up in flames here last week. big fire hazards
Lithium mining is much worse.
The quantity of lithium needed for 10 years of driving an EV vs the quantity of oil required for 10 years of driving an ICE vehicle is not really comparable.
Yea, batteries are consumables. That's the huge downside of all that electric mobility crap like cars and bikes.
That's IMHO what most of this "for the climate" nonsense is about: it's a grift, a money grab and further wealth redistribution from the bottom and middle to the top.
Between devaluation, planned obsolescence and making it economically unfeasible to resell used products those who are pushing these "green" energies are set up to profit MASSIVELY.
It's planned obsolescence on a massive scale. Apparently environment-death-cultists haven't figured out that the best way to preserve the environment is to build things that last.
First car I owned wasn't work fixing at 140k. Rust panels on the sides, alignment that couldn't be fixed so you had to drive with the wheel turned to one side, and like 6 other things wrong with it.
I bought a Prius...and the battery pack is still good 14 years later...I think it's at 250k now?
I don't really trust "research" on this stuff because it's typically a whole lot of crap. None of the b.s.ing on about the Prius turned out to be true. There's a couple of things I dislike about it...none of those things were what the online crowd was whining on about though. Literally all the things they said were bad about it weren't true, and all the things that actually were bad on it weren't mentioned online.