What is everyone's opinion on those far from weak, artistic motivation, you too can become an alpha male, man's life starts at 30 videos that have propagated all over the place on YouTube? Although some of the advice is all right, and men certainly can improve themselves, they seem to just be more of the old tradcon "man up and do your part" crap that the blue pill normies push, as well as the old "you too can become an alpha male if you buy my 6 dvd set" grift. They also seem to be a subtle way to try and push men back into the dating and work market place despite them being such shit holes.
Problem is, why would any man take any risk in such a society or try and protect it? And why not become a criminal if a man "lives in the dark" and his only role is to grind? These arguments don't make sense based on past healthy societies, as healthy societies always tried to marry men off at a young age to keep them invested in society.
What say everyone? Is this some sort of grift, or coordinated attempt to push men back into society?
I'm 34yo and I don't feel like my life started at 30. Quite the opposite really. I feel like my life ended at 30yo. From 20-30yo I pretty much experienced all there was for me to experience. Now I feel like I'm just existing until I die. It was much easier for me to accomplish anything I wanted when I was in my 20s than 30s.
Also, for the redpill shit where they keep talking about how men's value with women goes up when they're 30yo because they have more career success and money doesn't really seem to be the case at all. When I was 20yo, I could pickup women easier than now even though I had no money when I was 20. I think these redpill guys are just making shit up tbh.
I suppose it depends on the women you want to pick up
Sure, it's easier to pickup 35yo women when you're a 35yo man but why would you want to? I'd rather pickup 20yo women and that's way easier when you're a 22yo guy not 35yo.
The only thing that has got easier at 35yo is affording prostitutes but when I was younger I could pickup women who looked like prostitutes for free. At 35yo, if I want to pickup a good looking woman, I have to pay for it.
I really don't get the reality these men are living in where being in their 30s makes anything with women easier. The other 30yo guys I talk to all say the same thing too that trying to get women at 30yo+ seems way harder than in one's 20s. It just seems crazy to me that any guy thinks it's easier.
Vapid women who are willing to fuck you for money, just not directly.
Might as well get an escort in that case. It's cheaper, more honest, and the hooker will be better looking and funner in bed.
lol I hate women
I've had the opposite experience. I spent most of my 20s in the military, and despite racking up injuries I've kept up with fitness and I think that's key.
But I can pull better quality women now than I ever could in my 20s. In fact I've been astonished at how willing good quality women are to date well above their age range. My wife is ten years younger than I am.
Your wife? That tells me you've been out of the game for a while. Every year it gets worse and worse.
Nope, she and I have only been together a couple of years. I reentered the dating scene in my mid thirties.
I saw a stat here that older male/younger female couples were becoming more common.
Somebody fell behind the curve, then.
Women have greater leverage over men in dating the younger they are, maxing out at 18, then in a shallow decline. Equilibrium is reached late 20s, 27/28, and then after that men start to slowly pull away, then massively pull away 35-45.
Women's value goes down with age. Men's value increases. This is because older women are less fertile & less physically attractive & have fewer "hot" years left in them.
By contrast plenty of men in their 40s are considered to be highly attractive by women in their 30s. In addition, the older women get, the less they care about looks & social status, and the more they care about money & career status.
18 year old women don't care about money much if at all. They want popular, hot guys to boost their social standing with other women. Women in their 30s care far less about social standing because they aren't in school anymore so they aren't immersed in peer group competition. Instead, they compare themselves to other women from a distance based on material success & social status. Hence why male doctors in their 40s are wildly sought after by women in their 30s.
So if you're 34yo & you can't pull as easily as 20, then you fell off. You didn't get a good job. You didn't make money. Now the women you were fucking 14 years ago are passing you over for dudes who might not have held a candle to you 14 years ago but made better life choices and passed you up financially.
When I was late 20s I noticed that when I dated 22 year old college girls, they didn't give a shit that I was a lawyer. But when I dated women in their 30s & 40s, all I had to do was mention I was a lawyer & wear a suit to dinner at a nice restaurant & they'd trip before they reached the front door their panties would drop so fast.
And while some older women were harder to pull, that's because they were hot tan beach city bitches with big fake tits who used to be not even attainable when they were 10 years younger, but now they were.
This hasn't been my experience though. I have a pretty good job and make $150k/yr. Women my age already make their own money and don't seem to care what men make. Young women never cared what men make, just how "cool" he was. A good friend of mine makes $250k/yr and doesn't have much success with women in his 30s either.
I think perhaps the difference lies in the fact that I don't find women my age attractive so dating seems much harder than when I was in my 20s and actually able to date women I did find attractive.
I hardly consider it "easier" to date when all the women who are datable at my age are total garbage. Like, when you were 22 years old, there was always a sea of fat chicks you could take home from the bars/clubs but no one said "dating was easy at 22yo" because you can take home fat chicks no problem.
At 30yo to actually date quality women is near impossible because there aren't any quality women 30yo+. All the women worth dating got picked up when they were in their 20s, and usually it was by men 0-5 years older than then not men in their 30s who were 10+ years older than them. The latter is an exceptional circumstance. Thus it's much harder to date in your 30s. Being able to more readily date trash doesn't mean dating is easier.
Stop dating coworkers. Plenty of women are broke as shit.
Yeah and those relationships often don't work out so they end up single again.
And the reason the relationship didn't workout is because of the woman. The women you want to date are the ones who are still in successful relationships in their 30s with the men they dated in their 20s.
Quite the opposite for me.
Being stuck in a post-communist shit hole with narc mother and brother was not happy or living. Moved out at around 26 to UK. I'm not young, but now I'm everything else.
If it's all about sex for you then yeah. There's more to life than that.
In my old shithole the minimum monthly wage would force me to decide on whether I'm eating or paying rent this month.
In my new shithole the rent is 1/3 of what I take home.
In my old shithole I was physically beaten in school for being a sperg to the point of regular bloody nose.
In my new shithole I have yet to see someone giving me so much as a stink eye. If anything the "go home gamer girl" face fucks are the one who are told to piss off.
In my old shithole I had to put up with narc mother who does the bare minimum while my narc brother took full advantage and made me into a punching bag along with just taking my shit as he pleased.
In my new shithole I met a old scotish gypsy who showed me more warmth and support then either of my parents ever did. Even housed me after he tried to find me a renting place after it didn't worked out.
In my old shithole I would come back from school and be greeted by "Dałn, zjeb, niedojeb" or outright kicked out of my own bedroom just because that asshole sibling felt like using my PC instead of fixing his own.
In my new shithole I enter my apartment and I find it empty and hospitable. It's nice to sit in your bedroom without door being suddenly opened and said "Wypierdalaj".
If UK is a shithole then show me heaven.
It's technically true if you're looking to become a betabux, something the smarter red pillers rightly tell men to avoid like the plague.
That's because age gap pairings are about money. For sex they want Chads closer to their age. Like any other beta the older guy has to jump through hoops to get what Chad gets for free. There's no "picking her up". Admittedly age gap relationships are a better deal for the man than bailing out a ran through whore with Tyrone's kids in tow, but they still end with her divorce raping him and stealing all his shit.
This is exactly what it is. It's these "redpill" guys who think being a beta bucks is ideal. You're right, it is easier to be a beta bucks in your 30s but that's something I've never wanted to be so it was easier to be "Chad" in my 20s and just having enjoyable sex with women. In my 30s, that's over. All you can be in your 30s is beta bucks or john.
Women are stupid though. You could be a 20yo dude with a $10,000 CC and attract gold diggers easier than a 35yo dude with a $500,000 house, a $50,000 car and retirement savings because women only ever see the immediate money spent on them.
If you're spending money to attract women, you aren't attracting quality women.