Its funny how the "thousand year old" argument is used so often to mock the loli-lovers, when its mostly a literal joke to even them (which only became mainstream because of Fire Emblem Awakening selling too many copies and getting the mainstream Lefties into a niche series), and otherwise their arguments mostly consist of "its a fucking drawing bro."
Probably easier to blowup a meme argument that is (as well as anyone who actually uses it) retarded than actually engage with an actual difficult minefield like that one though.
There’s an actual argument in that anime is used to help groom a lot of the time plus two things:
The first is “if the MSM can program the left, why can’t fictional media at least have an influence”?
The second is the entire reason people are outraged over Cuties and drag queens and all that shit is because of the influence it has on kids, so why wouldn’t this stuff have at least a partial one. I know both sound super similar, but the first is more generalized and also covers “video games causing violence”, which I don’t believe is wholly true, only that video games may help push people who were already thinking about it over the edge, while the second is specific to this and actually covers “why and how would people act on this shit”.
First, anime is a medium. Children's books and story hour can be and are being used to groom children too. You can be opposed to inappropriate media that directly targets children as their audience without trying to be against that media when it only targets a niche audience of adults. Basically, don't let your children watch anime that is intended for adults.
Your second assertion is false. People cared about Cuties because actual children were involved in the production of the film. People didn't care about drag shows until they started showing up in schools and parents started bringing their children to the shows.
Im opposed to loli porn because indulging deviant sexual arousal is for a fact more likely to make someone offend and not as people like to claim divert pedophiles from molesting kids
Those actually are really good responses to both, and I do absolutely get the difference between the two, but I don’t think the general public is going to care when the pendulum swings back because all they’re gonna think is “all the people who’re trying to make my kid transition watch these weird Japanese cartoons and those cartoons have child-looking characters doing sexual shit and I don’t want it to exist”, as seen with the Satanic panic of the late 90s and early 00s due to Pokemon, MTG, DND, Yugioh, etc.
Hopefully that doesn’t happen but I don’t have faith in that.
The first is “if the MSM can program the left, why can’t fictional media at least have an influence”?
"Can have an influence" and "are a direct cause" are not the same thing. Especially as, the MSM is doing it intentionally and with purpose which will make anything far more effective. Double so over "anime directors make girls look so cute they end up looking prepubescent" which is aimless.
the entire reason people are outraged over Cutie and all that shit is because of the influence it has on kids
You are badly generalizing now. The biggest part of the outrage for Cuties (Drag queens are an entire separate issue) was over the actual kids in the movie who were being victimized and exploited, as well as both the production and Netflix for allowing it to be aired.
Which is the big problem with your line of thinking. CP has actual victims who are being harmed, and its criminality is more based on fact that it can only exist by harming those children. Loli shit has no direct victim. It can maybe after a while influence someone to victimize someone, but that is true of a lot of things. Should we have banned certain genres of books because The Collector and Catcher in the Rye influenced numerous actual murders? Or can we acknowledge that there are bigger things at play when someone takes a fictional work and then translates it to real world violence beyond "it made him do it!"
Its funny how the "thousand year old" argument is used so often to mock the loli-lovers, when its mostly a literal joke to even them (which only became mainstream because of Fire Emblem Awakening selling too many copies and getting the mainstream Lefties into a niche series), and otherwise their arguments mostly consist of "its a fucking drawing bro."
Probably easier to blowup a meme argument that is (as well as anyone who actually uses it) retarded than actually engage with an actual difficult minefield like that one though.
There’s an actual argument in that anime is used to help groom a lot of the time plus two things:
The first is “if the MSM can program the left, why can’t fictional media at least have an influence”?
The second is the entire reason people are outraged over Cuties and drag queens and all that shit is because of the influence it has on kids, so why wouldn’t this stuff have at least a partial one. I know both sound super similar, but the first is more generalized and also covers “video games causing violence”, which I don’t believe is wholly true, only that video games may help push people who were already thinking about it over the edge, while the second is specific to this and actually covers “why and how would people act on this shit”.
First, anime is a medium. Children's books and story hour can be and are being used to groom children too. You can be opposed to inappropriate media that directly targets children as their audience without trying to be against that media when it only targets a niche audience of adults. Basically, don't let your children watch anime that is intended for adults.
Your second assertion is false. People cared about Cuties because actual children were involved in the production of the film. People didn't care about drag shows until they started showing up in schools and parents started bringing their children to the shows.
Im opposed to loli porn because indulging deviant sexual arousal is for a fact more likely to make someone offend and not as people like to claim divert pedophiles from molesting kids
Those actually are really good responses to both, and I do absolutely get the difference between the two, but I don’t think the general public is going to care when the pendulum swings back because all they’re gonna think is “all the people who’re trying to make my kid transition watch these weird Japanese cartoons and those cartoons have child-looking characters doing sexual shit and I don’t want it to exist”, as seen with the Satanic panic of the late 90s and early 00s due to Pokemon, MTG, DND, Yugioh, etc.
Hopefully that doesn’t happen but I don’t have faith in that.
"Can have an influence" and "are a direct cause" are not the same thing. Especially as, the MSM is doing it intentionally and with purpose which will make anything far more effective. Double so over "anime directors make girls look so cute they end up looking prepubescent" which is aimless.
You are badly generalizing now. The biggest part of the outrage for Cuties (Drag queens are an entire separate issue) was over the actual kids in the movie who were being victimized and exploited, as well as both the production and Netflix for allowing it to be aired.
Which is the big problem with your line of thinking. CP has actual victims who are being harmed, and its criminality is more based on fact that it can only exist by harming those children. Loli shit has no direct victim. It can maybe after a while influence someone to victimize someone, but that is true of a lot of things. Should we have banned certain genres of books because The Collector and Catcher in the Rye influenced numerous actual murders? Or can we acknowledge that there are bigger things at play when someone takes a fictional work and then translates it to real world violence beyond "it made him do it!"