What would you think of someone who said the same thing about that fake country?
And this is at least part of the reason I dont normally engage with you on this topic, and probably wont after I say my peace here (but its the start of my weekend, so I am feeling saucy).
Even at a starting basis point, we are already too wildly different from each other to even conceivably have the argument. Ukraine exist. It existed since the Middle Ages. It continued to have it's own language and culture even after it was occupied by the Russia's. It attempted to break away when the Soviet Union was forming and failed (and was brutalized as punishment). Then when that evil empire imploded, they ran screaming for the door like so many other former Soviet states, finally becoming free and independent in the process, much like the Poles and Baltics before them. They have had a good 30 years of being independent and doing their own thing, for the first time in centuries. And now they have their former overlord coming back to try and drag them back to their decaying land because they want some former glory, and wont take no for an answer.
And even if you didnt believe Ukraine existed before, well congratulations: It exist now. Because you united a people against a common enemy and gave them a reason to fight. Much like how there was no United States until the British opened fire at Lexington.
I say again: Is it any wonder that Ukraine's response was to channel their inner Pole, cry "Never again", and shoot the bastards in the face. And I say: Give'em hell. And here's a bigger gun to do it with. Gotta make sure they stay dead after all (like how 9mm only kills the body, but .45ACP kills the soul).
But when it comes to Russia, Poles and the Baltics unfortunately suffer from an irrationality of the highest order.
More like "The sanest and most rational reaction known to man."
Hard to believe that they are lukewarm about being allies with people who blow up their pipelines.
You know what? Fine. Fair point. But at the same time, Trump tried to warn them of this exact issue, and what was Germany's response? To smugly laugh and declare him to be a buffoon. So forgive me if I am not going to lose too much sleep over Germany once again suffering the consequences of its own actions (much like unilaterally declaring the EU open to migrants). And I say that as someone who is descended from Germans. But then like many others we did flee to America, so maybe there is some inbred hate for the old Fatherland in there somewhere (could also explain the attachment to Poland).
I'm sure Russia is also willing to accept a rump United States consisting of just Virginia and Maryland, provided that it behaves itself and does not interfere in any way with Russia's regional ambitions.
They are certainly welcome to try. Something tells me that they would be far less successful in that endeavor though.
It's ironic that as a "nationalist" you fully support Victoria Nuland and other bloodthirsty neocons to get "handsy" with Ukraine and even determine who the next Prime Minister is going to be.
And what happens if we pick someone they dont like? Then they will probably overthrow them, as happened to many American-backed regimes throughout the Cold War. So I really dont see what proof that it was bad for them in the long run. You dont get a movement like that out of nowhere, in the opposite way as we see the Woke on the backfoot and starting to fall since they cant manifest a grassroots support network.
Jingoism ill suits someone who purports to think for himself.
I suppose call it the backlash to all of the attempts to tear down my country. I am thoroughly sick, tired, and done with caring about what a bunch of sniveling European elitist think the US should be. I would rather be the American the Chinese and Russians think we are. Minus the Woke aspects of course, but consider most of those ideals come from France....
Ukraine doesn't exist.
See first paragraph.
Being propagandized for 8 years with anti-Russian propaganda and war fevor will do a number on you.
You seem to think I have been swimming in some sort of MSM slurry and being told what to think about all of this by the likes of Brian Stelter and Chris Cumuo. I have based my opinion on the war, from the very beginning, off of Raw combat footage. Not even with commentary, because there is no need. Video doesnt lie when you are watching it go down live. And it hasnt been just Ukrainian either. I have seen from the Russian side of the line as well, because like usual I dont trust just one side.
Do you know why I am so anti-Russia in this regard? Because I have listened to them. And their own news of the war, and their attempts to spin their failures, are so delusional I have seen SJW's that were more comprehensible. They lie about things I know didnt happen because I watched it happen. They still operate under a delusion that they would be able to overrun Europe, and that they should when they are done in Ukraine (that sound you hear is Poland giddy in the corner and itching for a fight). They are honestly starting to sound not too far off from what I remember of Soviet newscasters. So I question why you and others take them at face value either, when it is obvious to anyone who watches the damn footage you are being lied to. Just compare a map of Ukraine now to a map about a year ago, and tell me with a straight face Russia will win this. Maybe Donbass, but Ukraine will stand defiant. And I can live with that.
Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to go find Supreme. I imagine we can clink some beers and share some popcorn watching the latest Russian tank turret throwing competition. I also heard Wagner is hold the events for "Who wants the last magazine?" deathmatch tonight.
Victoria Nuland and other bloodthirsty neocons to get "handsy" with Ukraine and even determine who the next Prime Minister is going to be.
It's very telling how u/AntonioOfVenice repeated this lie after knowing it's a lie, because I've informed him about it already.
Nuland was being "fuck the EU" (it's a quote) because she supported the compromise deal offered by Yanukovych and by extension Russia.
While the UE (in this case actually meaning Poland and allies) didn't want to compromise with Yanuk (and Russia pulling his steings).
It all wasn't very long since She-Clinton's new "Russia Reset" policy for Russia, being back to "our Russian partners" idiocy from before Georgia 2008.
Polish leaders were at the Maidan, like they went to Georgia in 2008. And the "Euro" part of "Euromaidan" was really Poland and the Baltics. For example France at the time was busy helping to rearm the "former" Red Army in lucrative "defense" contracts. She was more like "fuck Poland".
And the compromise deal fell through, because Ukrainian opposition refused to listen to the Americans.
Ant keeps forgetting himself while repeating the stupid old lies like "America armed Saddam" to me, already knowing it's lies.
It's very disappointing but also very telling.
As for winredditors of KIA2, they even upvoted actual schizoposting of like "nothing will convince me this fake war is real" once.
They just literally go full retard on this issue. It's really very much alike the TDS where even normally rational and intelligent people would go completely batshit after only hearing the MKULTRA trigger word "Trump" even before he was sworn as president.
It's very telling how u/AntonioOfVenice repeated this lie after knowing it's a lie, because I've informed him about it already.
It's in no way a lie, but then again, you call everything that does not fit your US-worshiping ways a 'lie'. Hell, you claimed that the US was so caring and tender and worried about people in Africa starving.
Any time now you will be calling Donald Rumsfeld's visits to Iraq a lie.
Nuland was being "fuck the EU" (it's a quote) because she supported the compromise deal offered by Yanukovych
Why was she determining who the next PM of "Ukraine" would be? Why was she involved to begin with?
While the UE (in this case actually meaning Poland and allies) didn't want to compromise with Yanuk (and Russia pulling his steings).
You know full well that Yanuk was not a puppet, that he was interested in what was good for Yanuk and not Russia. But thanks for admitting that the EU was working to mount a coup there.
It all wasn't very long since She-Clinton's new "Russia Reset" policy for Russia, being back to "our Russian partners" idiocy from before Georgia 2008.
What a joke. Clinton was an anti-Russia hawk.
Polish leaders were at the Maidan
As were Guy Verhofstadt and John McCain. The worst of the neocons.
They just literally go full retard on this issue
Show me the people who don't go full retard on this issue. I assume the people who swallow American propaganda hook, line and sinker?
Why are you even surprised at all, much less somehow disbelieving? It's not new, with all the American humanitarian aid to Africa (more than any other country), and even leading the UN armed intervention to end the starvation in Somalia (when the warlords in Mogadishu were stealing the aid going to the countryside).
The Americans even feed the Palestinians, who obsessively hate the literal hand that feeds them. ("Zio Don" wanted to end it lol)
Rumsfeld visits Iraq was just like She-Clinton cackling with Lavrov. Fortunately they dropped this shit in both cases.
Not she, but Yanuk. It's what he proposed. Publicly. It wasn't even any secret. It was rejected after considerations. You can easily find news articles about it all.
Yanuk became a puppet at that moment, which is why he followed on the idiotic order from Russia to have the Maidan shot up to pacify the unrest. It worked for Russian regime in 1993 to just massacre uppity citizens (and a lot of random bystanders) in the streets of Moscow but it's not Russia.
Btw his own former mentor Kuchma is an Ukrainian patriot.
Not the EU but us, and not a coup but a revolution. The military stayed in the barracks all the time and took no sides.
Again, unlike in Russia. And the architect of the missile blitz against Ukraine is the only officer who had killed people in Moscow during the 1991 coup.
Never in my life I even heard about "Guy Verhofstadt". I just checked out and he's not even an American, much less a Neocon brand of Republicans. It seems that the word "neocon" is for you what "nazi" is for American libs and Russian commies.
It's not new, with all the American humanitarian aid to Africa (more than any other country),
Slow tap... it's called influence buying. You are smart enough to know what "foreign aid" is, so don't pretend to be dumb. Or are you going to tell me that the food exports of the USSR from its own starving citizens to its satellites in the aftermath of WW2 were also "humanitarian"?
The Americans even feed the Palestinians, who obsessively hate the literal hand that feeds them.
I mean, I'm pro-Israel, but given the fact that the Americans support Israel rather strongly, they were not exactly wrong to hate the Americans. The Americans feed them so that they will remain pacified. Panem et circensis, member?
Yanuk became a puppet at that moment, which is why he followed on the idiotic order from Russia to have the Maidan shot up to pacify the unrest
Do you have any proof of any such 'order from Russia'? What's more, you know full well that there is controversy about who shot at those Maidan protesters.
It worked for Russian regime in 1993 to just massacre uppity citizens (and a lot of random bystanders) in the streets of Moscow but it's not Russia.
You mean when the American-backed Yeltsin had tanks shoot at the Supreme Soviet after it voted to impeach him, and the Americans then wrote a new constitution for Russia which made the situation even worse (though it ironically paved the way for Putin)?
Btw his own former mentor Kuchma is an Ukrainian patriot.
Also a murderer. Note that Kuchma did manage to play nice and not get invaded, which cannot be said of the Western puppets who have ruled Ukraine since 1994.
BTW, Yanukovich was from Donetsk, so he was Donbas patriot.
Not the EU but us, and not a coup but a revolution. The military stayed in the barracks all the time and took no sides.
When an armed mob takes over the government, that's a coup, whether or not "the military" is involved.
Again, unlike in Russia. And the architect of the missile blitz against Ukraine is the only officer who had killed people in Moscow during the 1991 coup.
So a guy who wasn't completely useless?
Never in my life I even heard about "Guy Verhofstadt". I just checked out and he's not even an American, much less a Neocon brand of Republicans. It seems that the word "neocon" is for you what "nazi" is for American libs and Russian commies.
He probably forgot again because Nuland was wondering out loud about the possibility of arming Ukraine with 5th-Gen fighters (like the F-22). Of course, that seems more like "big ask" negotiation so that when they get down to the F-16's they were already going to send, they can tell Russia "Look, we de-escalated!"
Right before the Ukrainian Air Force de-escalates a large chunk of the Russia Air Force. What I wouldnt give to see someone finally reach out and touch those MiG's that have been taking the long-range pot-shots from inside Russia.
It's mostly strategic bombers, often carrying old Soviet air-launched cruise missiles. Of which Ukraine once gave more than half thousand to Russia, after America paid Ukraine to do this (and to destroy all of Ukraine's own bombers).
They also dropped freefall bombs on Mariupol from the Tupolevs because there was no air defense there.
In this case, I am referring to the MiG-31's, that have been flying on the border with AWACS craft and taking extreme-long range missile shots at Ukrainian aircraft. They arent particularly accurate (since they are shooting missiles that were designed against bombers, not fighters), but they have been accurate enough that it is suppressing the Ukrainian Air Force and keeping them from flying as many missions as they need to. And nothing they are flying is able to mount the sort of long-range missiles needed to reach out and touch them back (like the American AMRAAM or the combined Euro Meteor)
And this is at least part of the reason I dont normally engage with you on this topic
For very good reasons, because you know you would not do well.
Ukraine exist. It existed since the Middle Ages.
Great. Show me one reference to a state named Ukraine in the Middle Ages.
Then when that evil empire imploded
There's two more yet to implode.
they ran screaming for the door like so many other former Soviet states, finally becoming free and independent in the process, much like the Poles and Baltics before them.
And what a miserable failure the Ukrainian state has been. Have you looked at its per capita GDP, or its population? It's the most corrupt country in Europe.
And now they have their former overlord coming back to try and drag them back to their decaying land
"Decaying" land with many times the GDP of Ukraine. By the way, you're trying to deceive people, of course. Hell, Russia pushed the Donbass republics back into Ukraine with the Minsk accords, in what the corrupt Western leaders you worship have admitted was deception. The end result is that Ukraine got wrecked.
And even if you didnt believe Ukraine existed before, well congratulations: It exist now. Because you united a people against a common enemy and gave them a reason to fight
Oh please. Same happened during World War II when the "Ukrainians" were allied with the Nazis.
Is it any wonder that Ukraine's response was to channel their inner Pole, cry "Never again",
Well, let's see, they worship Stepan Bandera, a mass murderer of Jews and Poles. So they really are channeling their inner German.
Trump tried to warn them of this exact issue, and what was Germany's response? To smugly laugh and declare him to be a buffoon.
There was no issue. Trump was upset that Germany was not sabotaging its own economy by buying overpriced, crappy American LNG, instead of getting cheap natural gas from Russia. Russia is no threat to anyone in Europe. They don't have military bases here, unlike the Americans.
So forgive me if I am not going to lose too much sleep over Germany once again suffering the consequences of its own actions
Great, so you're approving of terrorism and sabotage now, committed by Joe Biden? Not a single word out of you about 9/11, or any other terrorism targeting Americans in the future. You have forfeited that right. Also, it's an act of war, so expect the Russians to hit back by sabotaging American infrastructure... not that it needs any sabotage.
And I say that as someone who is descended from Germans
Well, you're still allied with Ukrainian fascists...
They are certainly welcome to try. Something tells me that they would be far less successful in that endeavor though.
No? So you admit that your alleged indulgence was really a crappy deal that you were trying to foist on the Russians.
And what happens if we pick someone they dont like? Then they will probably overthrow them
Probably?
OK, you're admitting that "Ukraine" is just an American puppet. Not a sovereign country, not a democracy, just your outpost on Russia's doorsteps. Seems like you're making a great case for the Russian war effort.
I suppose call it the backlash to all of the attempts to tear down my country
Biden says America sucks! I KNOW, LET'S SUPPORT BIDEN COMMITTING TERRORISM!
I am thoroughly sick, tired, and done with caring about what a bunch of sniveling European elitist think the US should be. I would rather be the American the Chinese and Russians think we are. Minus the Woke aspects of course, but consider most of those ideals come from France....
Nothing French about the woke, it's all-American. And if you don't care about your European vassals, maybe it's about time that you got kicked out of Europe.
You seem to think I have been swimming in some sort of MSM slurry and being told what to think about all of this by the likes of Brian Stelter and Chris Cumuo.
I meant the Ukrainians, not you. But you as well. You unfortunately don't know the first thing beyond the government narrative.
Video doesnt lie when you are watching it go down live.
Nonsense. You only see a select sliver of what happened.
So I question why you and others take them at face value either
What makes you think that I take "Russian newscasters" at face value? Or indeed, that I follow them at all. I only follow some English language Russian sources, because God knows the MSM will lie to you about everything.
Just compare a map of Ukraine now to a map about a year ago, and tell me with a straight face Russia will win this.
Well, let's see, there's a Crimean landbridge that wasn't there before, Luhansk oblast is almost completely conquered - and all this with 170,000 men (which is a joke).
Maybe Donbass, but Ukraine will stand defiant.
LOL! So your 'victory scenario' is the exact compromise Bennett brokered and that Ukraine's masters rejected, except one year of extra destruction for Ukraine? Great job. Ukraine must be really happy prostituting itself to the corrupt West.
I imagine we can clink some beers and share some popcorn watching the latest Russian tank turret throwing competition.
You sound like you've never had a second of hardship in your life.
More like sometimes when two brick walls are smashing into each other, the best course of action is to not even start.
Great. Show me one reference to a state named Ukraine in the Middle Ages.
Today I learned the Keivan Rus and the Principality of Kiev arent real. But then, I bet you think they belonged to Russia, even though modern Russia is descended from Novgorod. Hell, if anyone has the right to "take back" Ukraine, it's the Poles (since they conquered it as the Commonwealth).
Not a single word out of you about 9/11, or any other terrorism targeting Americans in the future. You have forfeited that right.
And I dont want any more words from smug Europeans when we handle things the American way. But then I have constantly seen you complaining about the American way, so I guess not much would change in that regard.
LOL! So your 'victory scenario' is the exact compromise Bennett brokered and that Ukraine's masters rejected, except one year of extra destruction for Ukraine?
Oh no no, you misunderstand. That is just the concession of "If there is well and truly no way forward and both sides settle for peace." I think Ukraine should push until they have it all back, including Crimea. And at least from what I have seen, Ukraine is also willing to push that. Tic-Tock, the tanks are arriving. And all Russia has to show for it is their latest ICBM failing to launch. It's the end of the 24th Vladdy boi. Where is my world-changing shock?
EDIT: It completely slipped by me on the first read. Of fucking course it was the Polish tanks that showed up first. The only thing that would be less of a shock is if there were some suspiciously Polish-looking "Ukrainians" operating those tanks. With a sadistic smile on their face of course.
You sound like you've never had a second of hardship in your life.
And I have found that those who think they know other's lives are usually the ones who have been pampered. Because those who have lived hard lives dont feel the need to foist it on others.
If you truly must know: I was relentlessly bullied to physical illness during my elementary school years (the illness coming from a powerful "mind over matter" response as I was told the only way to not go to school was "if you are sick"). After this, I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, which involved speech therapy and having to be retaught things like sarcasm, jokes, and "being less serious" in general. And as for today, I work blue collar in manufacturing, since it turns out that having a mind that hyper-focuses on details is useful for that line of work. Nothing as bad there, but I do still come home with cuts and bruises most days because metal is sharp.
But I guess I have just never had any hardship. Its not out of both a morbid curiosity with warfare (since especially Industrial-era war became my autistic obsession), and a fact that I just want to see Russians pay for the bullshit they have been pulling for years. My only regret is that it is the mobniks suffering instead of Putin and his flunkies.
More like sometimes when two brick walls are smashing into each other, the best course of action is to not even start.
But I like it. Nearly everyone here supports Russia, and that is very boring. And most of you guys are being good sports about it (Supremo excepted, but he is excused given his situation), so that's quite cool.
Today I learned the Keivan Rus and the Principality of Kiev arent real.
Rus you said?(And yes, I know that's a Viking term.) Kievan, you said? This obviously has nothing to do with 'Ukraine'. Hell, you cannot even establish linguistic continuity. Perhaps they spoke Old Church Slavonic, but to call that 'Ukraine' is as absurd as calling 'Ukraine' Germany because people lived there whose language later evolved into German.
I bet you think they belonged to Russia, even though modern Russia is descended from Novgorod.
I think you meant Muscovy. Novgorod was taken by Muscovy in 1478 and completely destroyed. That said, if only a direct line of descent is sufficient, that petty state you call Ukraine certainly has no direct line of descent from Kievan RUS.
And I dont want any more words from smug Europeans when we handle things the American way. But then I have constantly seen you complaining about the American way, so I guess not much would change in that regard.
If terrorism, sabotage and unprovoked acts of war are "the American Way", then perhaps the rest of the world needs to team up against this rogue and terrorist state.
I think Ukraine should push until they have it all back, including Crimea.
Stunning and brave, a comfortable Murcan advocating for sending Ukrainian conscripts to their deaths. Doesn't the US give people medals for such bravery?
And I have found that those who think they know other's lives are usually the ones who have been pampered. Because those who have lived hard lives dont feel the need to foist it on others.
Nor am I. I'm just noticing that you have had a very easy life, which is why you go around advocating for destroying other countries, as your country did in Libya, Syria, Iraq, and countless other places.
was relentlessly bullied to physical illness during my elementary school years (the illness coming from a powerful "mind over matter" response as I was told the only way to not go to school was "if you are sick"). After this, I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, which involved speech therapy and having to be retaught things like sarcasm, jokes, and "being less serious" in general.
Very interesting. Yes, not being serious is a great gift.
And as for today, I work blue collar in manufacturing, since it turns out that having a mind that hyper-focuses on details is useful for that line of work.
This is quite surprising. Because you don't sound blue collar to me. Advocating for corrupt, petty puppet shitholes is more of a white collar preoccupation. But I guess that since your motivation is jingoism and blind nationalism, it does make some little bit of sense.
and a fact that I just want to see Russians pay for the bullshit they have been pulling for years
I mean, you pulled out stuff from the 19th century, the supposed misdeeds of people who are long dead. It's like black identitarians who want white people punished for things that happened long ago. But I'm game. Let's hold the US accountable for all the things in history. NO, NO, NO, only others should pay for bullshit they pulled in the past. My past should be wiped clean every 5 minutes!
My only regret is that it is the mobniks suffering instead of Putin and his flunkies.
You don't even know why you hate Putin. You were told to hate him, and you obeyed.
But I like it. Nearly everyone here supports Russia, and that is very boring. And most of you guys are being good sports about it (Supremo excepted, but he is excused given his situation), so that's quite cool.
Debates are fun. When it is a brick wall that will never change their mind smashing against a brick wall that will never change their mind, it is just wasted effort. Which is why I dont bother most of the time when it comes to this topic. I just kick back and watch the undeniable video evidence roll in. Give it more time, and I guess we will see who is right.
Which is why this will be my final word, before I go back to largely ignoring the topic on this board.
Stunning and brave, a comfortable Murcan advocating for sending Ukrainian conscripts to their deaths. Doesn't the US give people medals for such bravery?
Their marching seems quite willing. I am just giving them a bigger gun for it.
Very interesting. Yes, not being serious is a great gift.
You clearly dont know anyone with Aspergers or Autism, do you? The "being less serious" I had to be taught was not "Lol, not caring and never meaning what I say." It was "When I say 'I am so hungry I could eat a whole cow', it doesnt mean I am literally going to eat a whole cow." Because until I was taught sarcasm (which had to be done the same way you teach someone a second language), I thought that such hyperbolics phrases were to be taken literally, and would chastise people for not living up to their hyperbolic actions. Because that tend to be a side effect of your brain being wired to think in pictures instead of words. Hence the skill in manufacturing.
This is quite surprising. Because you don't sound blue collar to me. Advocating for corrupt, petty puppet shitholes is more of a white collar preoccupation.
The hell kind of blue/white collar workers do you know. Because from my experience, it is the white collar workers pushing things like Globohomo, saying "Cant we all just get along?", "Guns are so barbaric", etc.
Its us guys in the shop that are spending our breaks watching combat footage, nerding out over their gear, and using the blast furnace and the foundry as yardsticks for "Just how hot does it have to get to start melting that tank?"
And this is at least part of the reason I dont normally engage with you on this topic, and probably wont after I say my peace here (but its the start of my weekend, so I am feeling saucy).
Even at a starting basis point, we are already too wildly different from each other to even conceivably have the argument. Ukraine exist. It existed since the Middle Ages. It continued to have it's own language and culture even after it was occupied by the Russia's. It attempted to break away when the Soviet Union was forming and failed (and was brutalized as punishment). Then when that evil empire imploded, they ran screaming for the door like so many other former Soviet states, finally becoming free and independent in the process, much like the Poles and Baltics before them. They have had a good 30 years of being independent and doing their own thing, for the first time in centuries. And now they have their former overlord coming back to try and drag them back to their decaying land because they want some former glory, and wont take no for an answer.
And even if you didnt believe Ukraine existed before, well congratulations: It exist now. Because you united a people against a common enemy and gave them a reason to fight. Much like how there was no United States until the British opened fire at Lexington.
I say again: Is it any wonder that Ukraine's response was to channel their inner Pole, cry "Never again", and shoot the bastards in the face. And I say: Give'em hell. And here's a bigger gun to do it with. Gotta make sure they stay dead after all (like how 9mm only kills the body, but .45ACP kills the soul).
More like "The sanest and most rational reaction known to man."
You know what? Fine. Fair point. But at the same time, Trump tried to warn them of this exact issue, and what was Germany's response? To smugly laugh and declare him to be a buffoon. So forgive me if I am not going to lose too much sleep over Germany once again suffering the consequences of its own actions (much like unilaterally declaring the EU open to migrants). And I say that as someone who is descended from Germans. But then like many others we did flee to America, so maybe there is some inbred hate for the old Fatherland in there somewhere (could also explain the attachment to Poland).
They are certainly welcome to try. Something tells me that they would be far less successful in that endeavor though.
And what happens if we pick someone they dont like? Then they will probably overthrow them, as happened to many American-backed regimes throughout the Cold War. So I really dont see what proof that it was bad for them in the long run. You dont get a movement like that out of nowhere, in the opposite way as we see the Woke on the backfoot and starting to fall since they cant manifest a grassroots support network.
I suppose call it the backlash to all of the attempts to tear down my country. I am thoroughly sick, tired, and done with caring about what a bunch of sniveling European elitist think the US should be. I would rather be the American the Chinese and Russians think we are. Minus the Woke aspects of course, but consider most of those ideals come from France....
See first paragraph.
You seem to think I have been swimming in some sort of MSM slurry and being told what to think about all of this by the likes of Brian Stelter and Chris Cumuo. I have based my opinion on the war, from the very beginning, off of Raw combat footage. Not even with commentary, because there is no need. Video doesnt lie when you are watching it go down live. And it hasnt been just Ukrainian either. I have seen from the Russian side of the line as well, because like usual I dont trust just one side.
Do you know why I am so anti-Russia in this regard? Because I have listened to them. And their own news of the war, and their attempts to spin their failures, are so delusional I have seen SJW's that were more comprehensible. They lie about things I know didnt happen because I watched it happen. They still operate under a delusion that they would be able to overrun Europe, and that they should when they are done in Ukraine (that sound you hear is Poland giddy in the corner and itching for a fight). They are honestly starting to sound not too far off from what I remember of Soviet newscasters. So I question why you and others take them at face value either, when it is obvious to anyone who watches the damn footage you are being lied to. Just compare a map of Ukraine now to a map about a year ago, and tell me with a straight face Russia will win this. Maybe Donbass, but Ukraine will stand defiant. And I can live with that.
Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to go find Supreme. I imagine we can clink some beers and share some popcorn watching the latest Russian tank turret throwing competition. I also heard Wagner is hold the events for "Who wants the last magazine?" deathmatch tonight.
It's very telling how u/AntonioOfVenice repeated this lie after knowing it's a lie, because I've informed him about it already.
Nuland was being "fuck the EU" (it's a quote) because she supported the compromise deal offered by Yanukovych and by extension Russia.
While the UE (in this case actually meaning Poland and allies) didn't want to compromise with Yanuk (and Russia pulling his steings).
It all wasn't very long since She-Clinton's new "Russia Reset" policy for Russia, being back to "our Russian partners" idiocy from before Georgia 2008.
Polish leaders were at the Maidan, like they went to Georgia in 2008. And the "Euro" part of "Euromaidan" was really Poland and the Baltics. For example France at the time was busy helping to rearm the "former" Red Army in lucrative "defense" contracts. She was more like "fuck Poland".
And the compromise deal fell through, because Ukrainian opposition refused to listen to the Americans.
Ant keeps forgetting himself while repeating the stupid old lies like "America armed Saddam" to me, already knowing it's lies.
It's very disappointing but also very telling.
As for winredditors of KIA2, they even upvoted actual schizoposting of like "nothing will convince me this fake war is real" once.
They just literally go full retard on this issue. It's really very much alike the TDS where even normally rational and intelligent people would go completely batshit after only hearing the MKULTRA trigger word "Trump" even before he was sworn as president.
It's in no way a lie, but then again, you call everything that does not fit your US-worshiping ways a 'lie'. Hell, you claimed that the US was so caring and tender and worried about people in Africa starving.
Any time now you will be calling Donald Rumsfeld's visits to Iraq a lie.
Why was she determining who the next PM of "Ukraine" would be? Why was she involved to begin with?
You know full well that Yanuk was not a puppet, that he was interested in what was good for Yanuk and not Russia. But thanks for admitting that the EU was working to mount a coup there.
What a joke. Clinton was an anti-Russia hawk.
As were Guy Verhofstadt and John McCain. The worst of the neocons.
Show me the people who don't go full retard on this issue. I assume the people who swallow American propaganda hook, line and sinker?
Why are you even surprised at all, much less somehow disbelieving? It's not new, with all the American humanitarian aid to Africa (more than any other country), and even leading the UN armed intervention to end the starvation in Somalia (when the warlords in Mogadishu were stealing the aid going to the countryside).
The Americans even feed the Palestinians, who obsessively hate the literal hand that feeds them. ("Zio Don" wanted to end it lol)
Rumsfeld visits Iraq was just like She-Clinton cackling with Lavrov. Fortunately they dropped this shit in both cases.
Not she, but Yanuk. It's what he proposed. Publicly. It wasn't even any secret. It was rejected after considerations. You can easily find news articles about it all.
Yanuk became a puppet at that moment, which is why he followed on the idiotic order from Russia to have the Maidan shot up to pacify the unrest. It worked for Russian regime in 1993 to just massacre uppity citizens (and a lot of random bystanders) in the streets of Moscow but it's not Russia.
Btw his own former mentor Kuchma is an Ukrainian patriot.
Not the EU but us, and not a coup but a revolution. The military stayed in the barracks all the time and took no sides.
Again, unlike in Russia. And the architect of the missile blitz against Ukraine is the only officer who had killed people in Moscow during the 1991 coup.
Never in my life I even heard about "Guy Verhofstadt". I just checked out and he's not even an American, much less a Neocon brand of Republicans. It seems that the word "neocon" is for you what "nazi" is for American libs and Russian commies.
Slow tap... it's called influence buying. You are smart enough to know what "foreign aid" is, so don't pretend to be dumb. Or are you going to tell me that the food exports of the USSR from its own starving citizens to its satellites in the aftermath of WW2 were also "humanitarian"?
I mean, I'm pro-Israel, but given the fact that the Americans support Israel rather strongly, they were not exactly wrong to hate the Americans. The Americans feed them so that they will remain pacified. Panem et circensis, member?
Do you have any proof of any such 'order from Russia'? What's more, you know full well that there is controversy about who shot at those Maidan protesters.
You mean when the American-backed Yeltsin had tanks shoot at the Supreme Soviet after it voted to impeach him, and the Americans then wrote a new constitution for Russia which made the situation even worse (though it ironically paved the way for Putin)?
Also a murderer. Note that Kuchma did manage to play nice and not get invaded, which cannot be said of the Western puppets who have ruled Ukraine since 1994.
BTW, Yanukovich was from Donetsk, so he was Donbas patriot.
When an armed mob takes over the government, that's a coup, whether or not "the military" is involved.
So a guy who wasn't completely useless?
How can you not have heard of that vile creep?
He probably forgot again because Nuland was wondering out loud about the possibility of arming Ukraine with 5th-Gen fighters (like the F-22). Of course, that seems more like "big ask" negotiation so that when they get down to the F-16's they were already going to send, they can tell Russia "Look, we de-escalated!"
Right before the Ukrainian Air Force de-escalates a large chunk of the Russia Air Force. What I wouldnt give to see someone finally reach out and touch those MiG's that have been taking the long-range pot-shots from inside Russia.
It's mostly strategic bombers, often carrying old Soviet air-launched cruise missiles. Of which Ukraine once gave more than half thousand to Russia, after America paid Ukraine to do this (and to destroy all of Ukraine's own bombers).
They also dropped freefall bombs on Mariupol from the Tupolevs because there was no air defense there.
In this case, I am referring to the MiG-31's, that have been flying on the border with AWACS craft and taking extreme-long range missile shots at Ukrainian aircraft. They arent particularly accurate (since they are shooting missiles that were designed against bombers, not fighters), but they have been accurate enough that it is suppressing the Ukrainian Air Force and keeping them from flying as many missions as they need to. And nothing they are flying is able to mount the sort of long-range missiles needed to reach out and touch them back (like the American AMRAAM or the combined Euro Meteor)
For very good reasons, because you know you would not do well.
Great. Show me one reference to a state named Ukraine in the Middle Ages.
There's two more yet to implode.
And what a miserable failure the Ukrainian state has been. Have you looked at its per capita GDP, or its population? It's the most corrupt country in Europe.
"Decaying" land with many times the GDP of Ukraine. By the way, you're trying to deceive people, of course. Hell, Russia pushed the Donbass republics back into Ukraine with the Minsk accords, in what the corrupt Western leaders you worship have admitted was deception. The end result is that Ukraine got wrecked.
Oh please. Same happened during World War II when the "Ukrainians" were allied with the Nazis.
Well, let's see, they worship Stepan Bandera, a mass murderer of Jews and Poles. So they really are channeling their inner German.
There was no issue. Trump was upset that Germany was not sabotaging its own economy by buying overpriced, crappy American LNG, instead of getting cheap natural gas from Russia. Russia is no threat to anyone in Europe. They don't have military bases here, unlike the Americans.
Great, so you're approving of terrorism and sabotage now, committed by Joe Biden? Not a single word out of you about 9/11, or any other terrorism targeting Americans in the future. You have forfeited that right. Also, it's an act of war, so expect the Russians to hit back by sabotaging American infrastructure... not that it needs any sabotage.
Well, you're still allied with Ukrainian fascists...
No? So you admit that your alleged indulgence was really a crappy deal that you were trying to foist on the Russians.
Probably?
OK, you're admitting that "Ukraine" is just an American puppet. Not a sovereign country, not a democracy, just your outpost on Russia's doorsteps. Seems like you're making a great case for the Russian war effort.
Biden says America sucks! I KNOW, LET'S SUPPORT BIDEN COMMITTING TERRORISM!
Nothing French about the woke, it's all-American. And if you don't care about your European vassals, maybe it's about time that you got kicked out of Europe.
I meant the Ukrainians, not you. But you as well. You unfortunately don't know the first thing beyond the government narrative.
Nonsense. You only see a select sliver of what happened.
What makes you think that I take "Russian newscasters" at face value? Or indeed, that I follow them at all. I only follow some English language Russian sources, because God knows the MSM will lie to you about everything.
Well, let's see, there's a Crimean landbridge that wasn't there before, Luhansk oblast is almost completely conquered - and all this with 170,000 men (which is a joke).
LOL! So your 'victory scenario' is the exact compromise Bennett brokered and that Ukraine's masters rejected, except one year of extra destruction for Ukraine? Great job. Ukraine must be really happy prostituting itself to the corrupt West.
You sound like you've never had a second of hardship in your life.
My face IRL
More like sometimes when two brick walls are smashing into each other, the best course of action is to not even start.
Today I learned the Keivan Rus and the Principality of Kiev arent real. But then, I bet you think they belonged to Russia, even though modern Russia is descended from Novgorod. Hell, if anyone has the right to "take back" Ukraine, it's the Poles (since they conquered it as the Commonwealth).
And I dont want any more words from smug Europeans when we handle things the American way. But then I have constantly seen you complaining about the American way, so I guess not much would change in that regard.
Oh no no, you misunderstand. That is just the concession of "If there is well and truly no way forward and both sides settle for peace." I think Ukraine should push until they have it all back, including Crimea. And at least from what I have seen, Ukraine is also willing to push that. Tic-Tock, the tanks are arriving. And all Russia has to show for it is their latest ICBM failing to launch. It's the end of the 24th Vladdy boi. Where is my world-changing shock?
EDIT: It completely slipped by me on the first read. Of fucking course it was the Polish tanks that showed up first. The only thing that would be less of a shock is if there were some suspiciously Polish-looking "Ukrainians" operating those tanks. With a sadistic smile on their face of course.
And I have found that those who think they know other's lives are usually the ones who have been pampered. Because those who have lived hard lives dont feel the need to foist it on others.
If you truly must know: I was relentlessly bullied to physical illness during my elementary school years (the illness coming from a powerful "mind over matter" response as I was told the only way to not go to school was "if you are sick"). After this, I was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome, which involved speech therapy and having to be retaught things like sarcasm, jokes, and "being less serious" in general. And as for today, I work blue collar in manufacturing, since it turns out that having a mind that hyper-focuses on details is useful for that line of work. Nothing as bad there, but I do still come home with cuts and bruises most days because metal is sharp.
But I guess I have just never had any hardship. Its not out of both a morbid curiosity with warfare (since especially Industrial-era war became my autistic obsession), and a fact that I just want to see Russians pay for the bullshit they have been pulling for years. My only regret is that it is the mobniks suffering instead of Putin and his flunkies.
But I like it. Nearly everyone here supports Russia, and that is very boring. And most of you guys are being good sports about it (Supremo excepted, but he is excused given his situation), so that's quite cool.
Rus you said?(And yes, I know that's a Viking term.) Kievan, you said? This obviously has nothing to do with 'Ukraine'. Hell, you cannot even establish linguistic continuity. Perhaps they spoke Old Church Slavonic, but to call that 'Ukraine' is as absurd as calling 'Ukraine' Germany because people lived there whose language later evolved into German.
I think you meant Muscovy. Novgorod was taken by Muscovy in 1478 and completely destroyed. That said, if only a direct line of descent is sufficient, that petty state you call Ukraine certainly has no direct line of descent from Kievan RUS.
If terrorism, sabotage and unprovoked acts of war are "the American Way", then perhaps the rest of the world needs to team up against this rogue and terrorist state.
Stunning and brave, a comfortable Murcan advocating for sending Ukrainian conscripts to their deaths. Doesn't the US give people medals for such bravery?
Nor am I. I'm just noticing that you have had a very easy life, which is why you go around advocating for destroying other countries, as your country did in Libya, Syria, Iraq, and countless other places.
Very interesting. Yes, not being serious is a great gift.
This is quite surprising. Because you don't sound blue collar to me. Advocating for corrupt, petty puppet shitholes is more of a white collar preoccupation. But I guess that since your motivation is jingoism and blind nationalism, it does make some little bit of sense.
I mean, you pulled out stuff from the 19th century, the supposed misdeeds of people who are long dead. It's like black identitarians who want white people punished for things that happened long ago. But I'm game. Let's hold the US accountable for all the things in history. NO, NO, NO, only others should pay for bullshit they pulled in the past. My past should be wiped clean every 5 minutes!
You don't even know why you hate Putin. You were told to hate him, and you obeyed.
Debates are fun. When it is a brick wall that will never change their mind smashing against a brick wall that will never change their mind, it is just wasted effort. Which is why I dont bother most of the time when it comes to this topic. I just kick back and watch the undeniable video evidence roll in. Give it more time, and I guess we will see who is right.
Which is why this will be my final word, before I go back to largely ignoring the topic on this board.
Their marching seems quite willing. I am just giving them a bigger gun for it.
You clearly dont know anyone with Aspergers or Autism, do you? The "being less serious" I had to be taught was not "Lol, not caring and never meaning what I say." It was "When I say 'I am so hungry I could eat a whole cow', it doesnt mean I am literally going to eat a whole cow." Because until I was taught sarcasm (which had to be done the same way you teach someone a second language), I thought that such hyperbolics phrases were to be taken literally, and would chastise people for not living up to their hyperbolic actions. Because that tend to be a side effect of your brain being wired to think in pictures instead of words. Hence the skill in manufacturing.
The hell kind of blue/white collar workers do you know. Because from my experience, it is the white collar workers pushing things like Globohomo, saying "Cant we all just get along?", "Guns are so barbaric", etc.
Its us guys in the shop that are spending our breaks watching combat footage, nerding out over their gear, and using the blast furnace and the foundry as yardsticks for "Just how hot does it have to get to start melting that tank?"