I'm not saying they will, but I am noticing some attempts to change the goal posts or the subject. What do you think the response will be like?
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Do Russia shills really have to cope so openly? I have never seen anyone move goal posts except the Russia supporters trying to save face for Russia's military defeat and inability to advance and conquer more territory.
The most likely outcome is roughly the status quo in terms of territory because the Russians are very dug in now and its unlikely Ukraine will pull off any big breakthroughs like they did by Kharkiv. The second most likely is systemic collapse of the Russian forces after continued unsustainable attrition over a prolonged period. The longer the war drags on, the more likely #2 becomes over #1.
I don't know how you can say Ukraine "loses" when Russia tried to conquer Ukraine and made a huge effort to blitz Kiev that utterly failed. The best Russia could do is hold on to some land in the south that was undefended very early in the war. But I don't care. The truth is you losers will proclaim victory no matter what the situation is, and nobody in the West (and almost nobody anywhere else) will believe you. Hell, you won't even believe it yourselves. This is how you come off in all your posts and comments about the war.
But while Russia supporters are OBSESSED with declaring Russia a "winner" even under the laughable status quo where Russia got its ass beat throughout the war in every actually defended area, Ukraine supporters don't care about face-saving bullshit, they care about watching Russia bleed out. Every day is more Russian soldiers dead forever, wounded forever, maimed and never able to fight again.
So keep coping, Russia shills. Russians will keep dying. Russian generals and ammo dumps will keep getting blown up with HIMARS. Russian military equipment will keep getting destroyed beyond replacement level:
Keep shoving your people into the meat grinder and gain nothing from it, Putin.
The difference between this war and the Winter War, is that the Finns eventually ran out of ammunition and were forced to capitulate. Ukraine won't be doing that. Ukraine also won't be making peace, and the West won't cut off its aid to Ukraine.
If the conflict lasts 5 more years and costs the US taxpayer $100 billion, it will be worth it to permanently end and crush Russia. Russian "offensives" this year have been pathetically small in size and scope.
Really? I don't see how "crushing" Russia benefits me in any way. Are they the ones causing mass immigration, tranny grooming, "nation of renters" WEF bullshit, black crime, etc. ?
I'd like this answered as well. If anything, it will embolden the regime.
Oh, Ukrainian data says that? Must be accurate! No conflict of interest there! Verified by a nation that is backing them too! Double accurate!
Don't need to read any further.
Didn't the Germans try to capture the Norwegian government when they invaded? It's pretty crazy to argue that just because a coup de main with a woeful number of soldiers fails, Russia cannot beat a corrupt puppet shithole non-country propped up with 100-200 billion worth of regime supplies and funds.
Let's see, Russia has more territory than it started with and it wasn't Russia that got wrecked. It's sad that Little Russia did, but that's the way of war unfortunately.
Huh, I just told someone that I've never seen you gloat over dead Russians. I guess I was wrong.
lol, permanently end Russia.
The invasion by the Third Reich ended with Russia being more powerful than ever. If that didn't do it, what makes you think the collection of worms and insects you call Western leaders will? You think Justin Trudeau is going to end Russia? It's a shame that your Cold Warrior, Baltic-tier Russophobia is such that you actually cheer Justin Trudeau the tyrant.
Germany successfully conquered Norway quickly. They didn't conquer it partway and then were forced to retreat from large sections of it a month later.
Ukraine has gotten nowhere near $100 billion. The authorizations passed by the US Congress "for Ukraine" actually only earmarked a small portion of that money for Ukraine itself, with the vast majority of the money instead going to the US military and State Dept.
The way military aid is calculated is grossly inflated because it assumes the full sticker price for a brand new item, when what is actually being sent might be refurbished and 30 years old, and in actuality worth far, far less than the dollar amount indicated. Politicians lie, and one of the big lies has been to try to exaggerate both the aid given as well as the severity of the sanctions.
I'm not talking about whether "Russia cannot beat" or not in the text you're responding to. I'm talking about how pro-Russia types try to spin the status quo as already being a victory, which I think is silly.
Laughably low bar. It paid an absurdly high price for that territory, and that territory is only temporarily occupied with a large opposing army locked with Russia in a hot war aiming to take it back. The occupation and defense of that territory requires a cost many many times higher than that territory is worth.
It was. Everyone in the world outside of the Russian government puts the K:D ratio in lives and equipment strongly in Ukraine's favor. Russia was forced to retreat from the north of Ukraine in late March 2022, and then defeated in both the Kharkiv & Kherson sectors. And all Russia has to show for an enormous sacrifice around Bakhmut is that it took a handful of villages and a small amount of territory without being able to take Bakhmut itself.
I wouldn't gloat over CIVILIANS, but pointing to military losses is perfectly fine. Russia can't win this war if it keeps losing the war of attrition, and it has been losing that war the whole time with possibly a small exception during its peak artillery phase in May/June 22.
End Russia as a military threat, not as a country, obviously.
Only because the rest of the world helped the Soviet Union (not Russia, even though the USSR was actually just a Russian empire masquerading as something else) weaken and defeat Germany, which allowed the USSR to sweep through and conquer eastern europe. Over the long term it couldn't hold its empire together and this ended up being an unsustainable drain on Russian resources and prosperity. It is often true that holding onto an imperial possession can be unprofitable and cost you more than you can extract from it.
lol I never mentioned Trudeau, are you gay for him or something?
Germany wasn't stupid enough to invade with 160,000, in the hopes that Norway would see reason...
Who cares what it's 'worth'? If you send a 30 year old Mercedes that works as well as a new one, does that make a dime's worth of difference?
Also, doesn't seem to me that the pols are trying to exaggerate how much they help that shithole. Especially considering that they do nothing for their own country except allowing toxic fumes to engulf East Palestine. It's an embarrassment, and even your friend Eyepatch McCain was trying to downplay it.
I'm definitely not happy, but let's be real. Russia has more territory than it started with. Ukraine is in ruins. It's a clear Russian victory so far. Now, should they continue and end the mistake of Ukrainian statehood? Absolutely. But I'll grant a pro-Russian rump Galicia.
Who's lost more though? The prostitute of the West. So... still a good deal, as sad as I am that anyone has to die over Western machinations.
I'm sure those governments and OSINT cretins you believe credulously are very objective and impartial...
Ukrainian casualties in Bakhmut are said to be massive.
Pointing, yes. Gloating, no.
Like the Wehrmacht did. And at the end of the 4 years, despite staggering, unbelievable losses, the USSR was at the height of its power.
I can't believe you wrote a paragraph with which I wholly agree.
Too old. But you're bragging about how the corrupt West is defeating RUSSHER. So why are you taking pleasure in the supposed achievements of Trudeau the Tyrant?
The height of its mobilized power, yes. The height of its potential power? No. The USSR lost enormous amounts of manpower, enough to demographically warp the country for generations. Russia also suffered enormous GDP and economic damage: "As result of the German invasion of World War II, the Economy of the Soviet Union suffered punishing blows, with Soviet GDP falling 34% between 1940 and 1942.[3] Industrial output did not recover to its 1940 level for almost a decade."
Just because the USSR hit peak tank production in 1944, doesn't mean it was at the "height of its power". Mobilization is cannibalistic, it is the conversion of sustainable civilian economic power to temporary warmaking power. Communists are uniquely good at full mobilization. The United States was able to mobilize to a far lesser degree than the USSR, so its economy recovered faster.
The only people who care less about russian conscripts dying than the average propaganda fed retard is the russian government. Why do you think "lives lost" matters to them?