This is legit the most powerful criticism against the man and his ideology.
Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
unless you police women's behaviors entirely, especially anything attractive on the sexual front, they'll want nothing to do with you, and they are completely untrustworthy....I can't imagine a more cowardly attitude toward women than that
note he doesn't say it is wrong or what the correct answer is, just that the men who come to that conclusion are "cowardly" and "pathetic"
better throw all of that pattern recognition out the window if it leads you to any possibility that is outside of overton
Then he wonders why he finds himself surrounded by screeching feminazis attacking him for shit he didn't even say. Almost like society pampers women to the point they live in their own delusions that are fully validated by the simps around them.
Y'know what? Maybe the West should just keep their noses out of Iran's business.
Remember how Iran was carved out of the corpse of the Ottoman empire by the British and French Empires for political convenience? Remember how they used to have a liberal democracy but the American Empire overthrew it to get more direct control over their natural resources? Remember how their Islamic theocracy was a direct response to foreign intervention and has allowed them to defend themselves against said intervention for half a century?
And how are we doing, in the West, that we should tell them how to run their society? How's "gender equality" working out for us? Unless you're completely blind, it's obvious that the transgenderism plague that's sweeping our civilization is a direct result of the idea that men and women are "the same". But we're going to push our failing ideas onto Iran, yet again?
"Clean your own room before you criticize the world"
Peterson has become either a hypocrite, or a mouth piece for the Daily Wire, and I don't know which is worse.
I think the flaw here is in the premise. He says the optimal relationship between a man and a woman is voluntary, but it's more like semi-voluntary in the same way that the optimal relationship between a child and parent is semi-voluntary. Politically, and in terms of rational thought, women are something between children and male adults, which is why throughout history (and still today in most of the world) politics and culture has reflected that. In Iran's case it's gone too far in some ways but its optimally somewhere between Iran's total subjugation of women and the West's simpdom and delusional view that the sexes are equal. This is also why women's life satisfaction in the West has declined since the ascendancy of feminism.
Politically, and in terms of rational thought, women are something between children and male adults
My hypothesis is that (non-uggo) western girls stop maturing around puberty. That is when they realize they have inherent value and stop being subject to consequenses.
And they only start again sometime post-wall. After their ego takes too many hits to be able to contine deny reality. Or possibly after they are grandmothers and that makes them finally realize a sense of their mortality and place in the chain of ancestry.
They go through puberty and become sexually mature, but their brain isn't developed yet. At this point they're geared towards sex so that they can proceed to the next phase but, thanks to perpetual birth control, many of them remain in their undeveloped state.
After their first pregnancy they go through another "puberty" where their body and brain/hormone system changes again. They become mothers, which is not just a social term (like "father"), but a biological one. Distinct from "mother" is "spinster": a woman of a certain age who has never had kids and is, therefore, under-developed. The brain of a mother is directed towards child care, thus an increase in neuroticism as they try to both keep their kids safe and anticipate and satisfy their needs.
Only after menopause does the brain develop into an adult unencumbered by a specific biological task. This is why many old ladies are seen as "not giving a fuck"; compared to younger women, they are free for the first time in their lives.
That is, however, only if they successfully pass through the other stages. If they remain a spinster, they'll retain the needs and drives of earlier stages that they never satisfied.
This is why a man is so important to a woman. Until menopause, women are unable to navigate, or even see, the objective world as an adult would. They are instead focused on their various stages of biological development, either raising a child, conceiving a child, or being a child. The man provides the guidance and protection they need to navigate their own, personal, challenges without too much exposure to the world at large.
The coda to this is, that in the past, a young woman's older female relatives would try to help her find a good man and steer her in the right direction until she got older.
Feminism destroyed that relationship by teaching young women that their older and wiser counterparts were nothing more than mindless tools of the patriarchy, who have no wisdom to transmit.
considering how his daughter turned out I don't think he is the best authority on the optimal relationship between men and women
This is legit the most powerful criticism against the man and his ideology.
also:
note he doesn't say it is wrong or what the correct answer is, just that the men who come to that conclusion are "cowardly" and "pathetic"
better throw all of that pattern recognition out the window if it leads you to any possibility that is outside of overton
Then he wonders why he finds himself surrounded by screeching feminazis attacking him for shit he didn't even say. Almost like society pampers women to the point they live in their own delusions that are fully validated by the simps around them.
same response he gives to people criticizing a certain ethnicity
Y'know what? Maybe the West should just keep their noses out of Iran's business.
Remember how Iran was carved out of the corpse of the Ottoman empire by the British and French Empires for political convenience? Remember how they used to have a liberal democracy but the American Empire overthrew it to get more direct control over their natural resources? Remember how their Islamic theocracy was a direct response to foreign intervention and has allowed them to defend themselves against said intervention for half a century?
And how are we doing, in the West, that we should tell them how to run their society? How's "gender equality" working out for us? Unless you're completely blind, it's obvious that the transgenderism plague that's sweeping our civilization is a direct result of the idea that men and women are "the same". But we're going to push our failing ideas onto Iran, yet again?
"Clean your own room before you criticize the world"
Peterson has become either a hypocrite, or a mouth piece for the Daily Wire, and I don't know which is worse.
Of course Israel is the only country in the world that is pure and good right Peterson?
"...YEP!"
I think the flaw here is in the premise. He says the optimal relationship between a man and a woman is voluntary, but it's more like semi-voluntary in the same way that the optimal relationship between a child and parent is semi-voluntary. Politically, and in terms of rational thought, women are something between children and male adults, which is why throughout history (and still today in most of the world) politics and culture has reflected that. In Iran's case it's gone too far in some ways but its optimally somewhere between Iran's total subjugation of women and the West's simpdom and delusional view that the sexes are equal. This is also why women's life satisfaction in the West has declined since the ascendancy of feminism.
My hypothesis is that (non-uggo) western girls stop maturing around puberty. That is when they realize they have inherent value and stop being subject to consequenses.
And they only start again sometime post-wall. After their ego takes too many hits to be able to contine deny reality. Or possibly after they are grandmothers and that makes them finally realize a sense of their mortality and place in the chain of ancestry.
I don't think women fully mature until menopause.
They go through puberty and become sexually mature, but their brain isn't developed yet. At this point they're geared towards sex so that they can proceed to the next phase but, thanks to perpetual birth control, many of them remain in their undeveloped state.
After their first pregnancy they go through another "puberty" where their body and brain/hormone system changes again. They become mothers, which is not just a social term (like "father"), but a biological one. Distinct from "mother" is "spinster": a woman of a certain age who has never had kids and is, therefore, under-developed. The brain of a mother is directed towards child care, thus an increase in neuroticism as they try to both keep their kids safe and anticipate and satisfy their needs.
Only after menopause does the brain develop into an adult unencumbered by a specific biological task. This is why many old ladies are seen as "not giving a fuck"; compared to younger women, they are free for the first time in their lives.
That is, however, only if they successfully pass through the other stages. If they remain a spinster, they'll retain the needs and drives of earlier stages that they never satisfied.
This is why a man is so important to a woman. Until menopause, women are unable to navigate, or even see, the objective world as an adult would. They are instead focused on their various stages of biological development, either raising a child, conceiving a child, or being a child. The man provides the guidance and protection they need to navigate their own, personal, challenges without too much exposure to the world at large.
The entirety of "feminism" is a willfull blindness to the general case. Men are more likely to be able to handle reality and women are less.
This is very poignant.
The coda to this is, that in the past, a young woman's older female relatives would try to help her find a good man and steer her in the right direction until she got older.
Feminism destroyed that relationship by teaching young women that their older and wiser counterparts were nothing more than mindless tools of the patriarchy, who have no wisdom to transmit.
I highly doubt women are "totally subjugated" in Iran lol. Maybe in some far off villages
Based