I've been on a number of incel communities and know guys that even self describe themselves as Incels.
As counterintuitive as it might seem for a lot of people who think they know Incels, I'd say based on my observations. Incels actually really do love women in a sacrificing manner. They're kind of like chivalrous romantics that believe in the true love kind of stuff. The whole feel like I'm incomplete and there's a hole in my heart and a woman's love would fill this void.
Unfortunately, reality tends to hit and regular non-disney fabricated dating dynamics begin to show themselves. Women want money, status, power and use their affection as leverage with men to get that. A lot of Incels simply aren't valuable enough to get the affection they seek from women. This is ultimately what leads to their rage. A sense of being unwanted. And women treat men they don't want exceptionally bad. When men don't like men, men still have a sense of decorum. Women are outright vicious and psychopathic toward men they don't like.
A really good movie to understand Incels is How The Grinch Stole Christmas (2000). I know lots of people recommend The Joker but The Grinch actually shows Incels better. The Grinch was rejected by women and the one woman he did have a crush on used him. He became bitter and jaded and cold. But what saved the Grinch in the end? The kindness of a young girl. That's actually what incels desire more than anything, to be treated with genuine kindness and a sense of desire/belonging from women, especially a woman he himself has an attraction toward. Once the Grinch was shown this kindness he become a good person, the end.
Incels want to be saved in this same manner. And in this desire that often becomes a fixation and obsession, it might not be unimaginable that the Incel decides to become the very woman he desires himself because in doing so he then presumed to fill the void in his heart by becoming the very thing he desires more than anything else. You get that fixated and obsessed you start to become that very thing. Not unimaginable. And also the LGBTQ+ community is very welcoming to anyone, which also adds to it. A regular straight man who is undesirable becomes a loner. A trans guy gains a whole community of people supporting his transition and that sense of desire and belonging he sought starts to be felt. At least, it's an opportunity. If being a straight man didn't work why not try the latest trend of becoming a girl and seeing how it goes?
Someone here once called them "doomer simps", which is an apt description. The fundamental problem is that what they want is a blue pilled fantasy that doesn't exist. Only top 0.1% gigagchads get anything close. Between women getting more and more entitled to the top of the top of the top by the day and the rigged DIE game in the workplace a lot of guys can't even become betabux. That's why the incel problem is growing.
And also the LGBTQ+ community is very welcoming to anyone
They're welcoming to anyone who agrees with them on everything, obeys their every whim, and subjects themselves to their sick social hierarchy. They absolutely destroy anyone who crosses them, and if that rotten community is one's only source of support it can lead to suicide. That's one factor that's not talked about in causing alphabet weirdos to off themselves. Look what happened to Dave Chappelle's tranny friend after the troon cult turned on him.
Yes, exactly. I feel bad for guys. Our society literally sets them up to fail. Almost all the media boys, teenagers and young men consume perpetuates the lie.
I truly believe society, for centuries even, has been designed to mask women's true nature in order to make women more desirable for men, especially since up until rather recently, women didn't work. If men didn't have this strong desire for women, then what would everyone do with all the women? Thus our culture built up this bluepill idea of women to make them seem far more attractive then what they actually are so men wanted to sacrifice in war for them, wanted to work 12 hour days for them and support women, despite women contributing barely anything in return.
This ramped up to overdrive though when women started being put into positions of authority over men because the women literally started believing their own shit and using this framework to extract even more from men.
It'll take a lot of time for men to figure it out and unravel the lies.
I truly believe society, for centuries even, has been designed to mask women's true nature in order to make women more desirable for men, especially since up until rather recently, women didn't work.
There's a book called The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar that basically espouses this. Unsurprisingly, she received many death threats for writing it.
Id' be curious who she lays the blame at for doing the manipulation though because I think it was women themselves who did most of the manipulating, though yes men with power also perpetuated some of it. The reason I say it was women is because when you observe power or monetary imbalances between men and women where men have more power and money while women have less (you especially see this dynamic play out between westerners and foreign women in poorer countries), the women often act exactly how the men want the woman to act. She puts on the game. Biologically, women seem to actually posses the ability to be what men want and are dialed into it, yet women are programmed not to actually truly want to be this so women only put on the act when they're trying to get something, generally speaking. That's why feminists are so obsessed in alleviating the power dynamics between men and women because then women never have to act the way men want them to, which women don't want to act. This leads me to believe that when women truly were inferior to men at doing work, the women themselves manipulated the men into thinking the women were these amazing feminine beings (that men want) but that was always an act. A woman's true nature is not actually that.
I actually don't think this is correct, this is men applying their understanding of the system.
Gigachad - by definition - doesn't care about these emotions. Women apply these emotions when it's in her best interests to keep the man around.
She finds out she's pregnant and suddenly gigachads completely dismissal of these emotions is terrifying rather that attractive.
She finds herself being attacked and abused by another group of men in the tribe, or from another tribe - who will save her? Men are the fighters.
She's uses towards her kids as well, to keep her kids emotionally attached to her so she's taken care of in old age.
These emotions are also used among women towards each other but that's a different subject.
They've replaced every elements that causes her to push beta emotions which turns women into sociopaths.
she no longer needs to keep a husband around because her career is her husband - so she moves out if her chad-chasing phase
with social media she no longer uses beta emotions to for social bonds with friends
she continues to try to attach her kids to her strongly enough they won't leave - but they're no longer going to support her into old age so she's no longer incentivized to insist they be successful - so you end up with just the sabotage into being independent stuff, where she so thoroughly dominates them into dependence they cut off their genitals and disfigure themselves to ensure her children be be so disfigured and unnappealing to anyone else they'll be perpetual dependent toddlers who can never leave her.
Chad doesn't get the blue pill fantasy, he's defined by his inability to be influenced by blue pill stuff. But the incentives for women to play the blue pill fantasy for their own benefit get removed so they're no longer doing it except for sabotaging their own children into being to dependent to ever leave.
Their are actually issues with men in this regard as well, the same dynamics where mens incentives to make their children successful being removed have issues, but you just don't see a lot of that any more.
If you look at who's actually incels nowadays it seems like it's 50%+ normal guys who are just to timid with women - their mothers pour on boue pill to trap them a little to much, their female peers have to little self-interest in capturing one of them long term.
They're kind of like chivalrous romantics that believe in the true love kind of stuff. The whole feel like I'm incomplete and there's a good in my heart and a woman's love would fill this void.
Story of my life eventually I got over it but at first it was brutal when I realised nothing was true.
I think what makes it the hardest to get over is a lot of the men can imagine the feeling. They know it's a potential feeling. It could be real, in theory. Then they see it in the media they consume as a possibility and society perpetuates the idea that it's real because people when in public or social media often present their relationships as meeting this ideal even if the truth is much different.
I'm convinced this is why so many guys like anime because the anime does a great job of conveying this potential kind of romance men want even better than western media does. Maybe Japan got fed the same sort of fake love BS from the west after they got conquered by the west and then perfected in to a level better than the west even as Japanese often do with these sorts of things. A little side thing but I was just thinking about it.
This aspect is also key to why so many men develop rage toward women. Imagine if what you wanted to make yourself happy was something women could give you but women refused to give it to you. That would make you bitter. What starts off as bitter, annoyance, unhappiness eventually develops into a blinding rage. Just imagine how you would feel if you were starving for food but you saw rich people eating food and the rich people refused to share that food with you? Most people understand this to be mean and thus many poor people might develop rage toward the rich; however, as woman would say, rich people aren't required to give their possessions to poor people. Poor people aren't entitled to food, or are they? And so we have men that might presume they too are entitled to the love they want.
That's why you get movements like MGTOW that try to help men by encouraging men to make their happiness about something other then women but Incels are so captured by women as the key to their happiness, apparently they even decide to become women themselves.
Imagine if what you wanted to make yourself happy was something women could give you but women refused to give it to you.
In my own experience, some of them were unbelievably catty, kind of go out of their way to let you know you are unwanted. Even if I'm at a point now where I'm eligible enough to date, I wouldn't want to be stuck with those types of women. So yeah, I understand how MGTOW and incel feel but I can't really call myself bitter as they are.
And Incels don't want this kind of woman either. That's why a lot of them go for young girls. The pain from the affront they faced from women lingers...
What I mean is, Incels do often pick themselves up to a point where they are "eligible enough to date" but they remembered all the women who mistreated them so when a 35yo washed up, hit the wall, single mother decides to date the Incel, he isn't thinking he hit the jackpot, he's thinking where was this woman when he was 20yo? She was getting dicked by Chad while she would go out of her way to let the 20yo Incel know he was unwanted. This type of insult transcends time in the sense that just because he's now wanted by these 35yo single women, it's not actually good enough. He wants the girl when he first fixated on desiring women, which then brings the guy back to teenage girls or young adults, which also happens to coincide with when women were at their peak in terms of beauty. It's not good enough that women might later in life, after they lose their beauty, decide to settle-down with a previous Incel. That's actually insulting to the Incel. Many women don't realize the long-term consequences (nor will they ever realize because they are women or will they ever care) of hurting these men.
I'll also revert back to How The Grinch Stole Christmas. Remember when the Grinch was first hurt, it was when he was young. The woman who saved the Grinch was also a young girl not a 40yo adult woman. Perhaps coincidence for the movie but serves a purpose for the parallel to Incels. Women who treat these men badly when they were young, only to come back to these men when the men are older and already having established themselves are actually insulting the men and making things worse, ironically, as it just fuels the Ince's rage even further that women only want them after the women gave themselves during their peak beauty years to other men other than them and only decided to want the Incels after the women have lost all their value to the Chads. Rather than come to the Incel humble, the woman comes to him acting like he owes her. This just further damage that has already been done. Only a younger version of the woman can ever heal the wounds or she would need to come from a position of being humble not haughty like most of these women do.
In my own experience, some of them were unbelievably catty, kind of go out of their way to let you know you are unwanted. Even if I'm at a point now where I'm eligible enough to date, I wouldn't want to be stuck with those types of women. So yeah, I understand how MGTOW and incel feel but I can't really call myself bitter as they are
Not just them, they'll go out of there way to broadcast your undesirability so that nothing is mistaken. I still remember one poor idiot when I was a freshmen in high school, poured his heart out into some puppy-love fueled letter which proceeded to be mocked and belittled by our entire science class when it was passed around, even the teacher.
I'm convinced this is why so many guys like anime because the anime does a great job of conveying this potential kind of romance men want even better than western media does.
Nah, I've just watched some anime myself and immediately I realized the female characters tend to be written almost absolutely perfect for what men desire and it's such a far-cry to how women truly are.
I've been on a number of incel communities and know guys that even self describe themselves as Incels.
As counterintuitive as it might seem for a lot of people who think they know Incels, I'd say based on my observations. Incels actually really do love women in a sacrificing manner. They're kind of like chivalrous romantics that believe in the true love kind of stuff. The whole feel like I'm incomplete and there's a hole in my heart and a woman's love would fill this void.
Unfortunately, reality tends to hit and regular non-disney fabricated dating dynamics begin to show themselves. Women want money, status, power and use their affection as leverage with men to get that. A lot of Incels simply aren't valuable enough to get the affection they seek from women. This is ultimately what leads to their rage. A sense of being unwanted. And women treat men they don't want exceptionally bad. When men don't like men, men still have a sense of decorum. Women are outright vicious and psychopathic toward men they don't like.
A really good movie to understand Incels is How The Grinch Stole Christmas (2000). I know lots of people recommend The Joker but The Grinch actually shows Incels better. The Grinch was rejected by women and the one woman he did have a crush on used him. He became bitter and jaded and cold. But what saved the Grinch in the end? The kindness of a young girl. That's actually what incels desire more than anything, to be treated with genuine kindness and a sense of desire/belonging from women, especially a woman he himself has an attraction toward. Once the Grinch was shown this kindness he become a good person, the end.
Incels want to be saved in this same manner. And in this desire that often becomes a fixation and obsession, it might not be unimaginable that the Incel decides to become the very woman he desires himself because in doing so he then presumed to fill the void in his heart by becoming the very thing he desires more than anything else. You get that fixated and obsessed you start to become that very thing. Not unimaginable. And also the LGBTQ+ community is very welcoming to anyone, which also adds to it. A regular straight man who is undesirable becomes a loner. A trans guy gains a whole community of people supporting his transition and that sense of desire and belonging he sought starts to be felt. At least, it's an opportunity. If being a straight man didn't work why not try the latest trend of becoming a girl and seeing how it goes?
Someone here once called them "doomer simps", which is an apt description. The fundamental problem is that what they want is a blue pilled fantasy that doesn't exist. Only top 0.1% gigagchads get anything close. Between women getting more and more entitled to the top of the top of the top by the day and the rigged DIE game in the workplace a lot of guys can't even become betabux. That's why the incel problem is growing.
They're welcoming to anyone who agrees with them on everything, obeys their every whim, and subjects themselves to their sick social hierarchy. They absolutely destroy anyone who crosses them, and if that rotten community is one's only source of support it can lead to suicide. That's one factor that's not talked about in causing alphabet weirdos to off themselves. Look what happened to Dave Chappelle's tranny friend after the troon cult turned on him.
Yes, exactly. I feel bad for guys. Our society literally sets them up to fail. Almost all the media boys, teenagers and young men consume perpetuates the lie.
I truly believe society, for centuries even, has been designed to mask women's true nature in order to make women more desirable for men, especially since up until rather recently, women didn't work. If men didn't have this strong desire for women, then what would everyone do with all the women? Thus our culture built up this bluepill idea of women to make them seem far more attractive then what they actually are so men wanted to sacrifice in war for them, wanted to work 12 hour days for them and support women, despite women contributing barely anything in return.
This ramped up to overdrive though when women started being put into positions of authority over men because the women literally started believing their own shit and using this framework to extract even more from men.
It'll take a lot of time for men to figure it out and unravel the lies.
There's a book called The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar that basically espouses this. Unsurprisingly, she received many death threats for writing it.
Id' be curious who she lays the blame at for doing the manipulation though because I think it was women themselves who did most of the manipulating, though yes men with power also perpetuated some of it. The reason I say it was women is because when you observe power or monetary imbalances between men and women where men have more power and money while women have less (you especially see this dynamic play out between westerners and foreign women in poorer countries), the women often act exactly how the men want the woman to act. She puts on the game. Biologically, women seem to actually posses the ability to be what men want and are dialed into it, yet women are programmed not to actually truly want to be this so women only put on the act when they're trying to get something, generally speaking. That's why feminists are so obsessed in alleviating the power dynamics between men and women because then women never have to act the way men want them to, which women don't want to act. This leads me to believe that when women truly were inferior to men at doing work, the women themselves manipulated the men into thinking the women were these amazing feminine beings (that men want) but that was always an act. A woman's true nature is not actually that.
I actually don't think this is correct, this is men applying their understanding of the system.
Gigachad - by definition - doesn't care about these emotions. Women apply these emotions when it's in her best interests to keep the man around.
She finds out she's pregnant and suddenly gigachads completely dismissal of these emotions is terrifying rather that attractive.
She finds herself being attacked and abused by another group of men in the tribe, or from another tribe - who will save her? Men are the fighters.
She's uses towards her kids as well, to keep her kids emotionally attached to her so she's taken care of in old age.
These emotions are also used among women towards each other but that's a different subject.
They've replaced every elements that causes her to push beta emotions which turns women into sociopaths.
Chad doesn't get the blue pill fantasy, he's defined by his inability to be influenced by blue pill stuff. But the incentives for women to play the blue pill fantasy for their own benefit get removed so they're no longer doing it except for sabotaging their own children into being to dependent to ever leave.
Their are actually issues with men in this regard as well, the same dynamics where mens incentives to make their children successful being removed have issues, but you just don't see a lot of that any more.
If you look at who's actually incels nowadays it seems like it's 50%+ normal guys who are just to timid with women - their mothers pour on boue pill to trap them a little to much, their female peers have to little self-interest in capturing one of them long term.
Story of my life eventually I got over it but at first it was brutal when I realised nothing was true.
I think what makes it the hardest to get over is a lot of the men can imagine the feeling. They know it's a potential feeling. It could be real, in theory. Then they see it in the media they consume as a possibility and society perpetuates the idea that it's real because people when in public or social media often present their relationships as meeting this ideal even if the truth is much different.
I'm convinced this is why so many guys like anime because the anime does a great job of conveying this potential kind of romance men want even better than western media does. Maybe Japan got fed the same sort of fake love BS from the west after they got conquered by the west and then perfected in to a level better than the west even as Japanese often do with these sorts of things. A little side thing but I was just thinking about it.
This aspect is also key to why so many men develop rage toward women. Imagine if what you wanted to make yourself happy was something women could give you but women refused to give it to you. That would make you bitter. What starts off as bitter, annoyance, unhappiness eventually develops into a blinding rage. Just imagine how you would feel if you were starving for food but you saw rich people eating food and the rich people refused to share that food with you? Most people understand this to be mean and thus many poor people might develop rage toward the rich; however, as woman would say, rich people aren't required to give their possessions to poor people. Poor people aren't entitled to food, or are they? And so we have men that might presume they too are entitled to the love they want.
That's why you get movements like MGTOW that try to help men by encouraging men to make their happiness about something other then women but Incels are so captured by women as the key to their happiness, apparently they even decide to become women themselves.
In my own experience, some of them were unbelievably catty, kind of go out of their way to let you know you are unwanted. Even if I'm at a point now where I'm eligible enough to date, I wouldn't want to be stuck with those types of women. So yeah, I understand how MGTOW and incel feel but I can't really call myself bitter as they are.
And Incels don't want this kind of woman either. That's why a lot of them go for young girls. The pain from the affront they faced from women lingers...
What I mean is, Incels do often pick themselves up to a point where they are "eligible enough to date" but they remembered all the women who mistreated them so when a 35yo washed up, hit the wall, single mother decides to date the Incel, he isn't thinking he hit the jackpot, he's thinking where was this woman when he was 20yo? She was getting dicked by Chad while she would go out of her way to let the 20yo Incel know he was unwanted. This type of insult transcends time in the sense that just because he's now wanted by these 35yo single women, it's not actually good enough. He wants the girl when he first fixated on desiring women, which then brings the guy back to teenage girls or young adults, which also happens to coincide with when women were at their peak in terms of beauty. It's not good enough that women might later in life, after they lose their beauty, decide to settle-down with a previous Incel. That's actually insulting to the Incel. Many women don't realize the long-term consequences (nor will they ever realize because they are women or will they ever care) of hurting these men.
I'll also revert back to How The Grinch Stole Christmas. Remember when the Grinch was first hurt, it was when he was young. The woman who saved the Grinch was also a young girl not a 40yo adult woman. Perhaps coincidence for the movie but serves a purpose for the parallel to Incels. Women who treat these men badly when they were young, only to come back to these men when the men are older and already having established themselves are actually insulting the men and making things worse, ironically, as it just fuels the Ince's rage even further that women only want them after the women gave themselves during their peak beauty years to other men other than them and only decided to want the Incels after the women have lost all their value to the Chads. Rather than come to the Incel humble, the woman comes to him acting like he owes her. This just further damage that has already been done. Only a younger version of the woman can ever heal the wounds or she would need to come from a position of being humble not haughty like most of these women do.
Not just them, they'll go out of there way to broadcast your undesirability so that nothing is mistaken. I still remember one poor idiot when I was a freshmen in high school, poured his heart out into some puppy-love fueled letter which proceeded to be mocked and belittled by our entire science class when it was passed around, even the teacher.
Holy fuck dude are you me?
Nah, I've just watched some anime myself and immediately I realized the female characters tend to be written almost absolutely perfect for what men desire and it's such a far-cry to how women truly are.
This is what the last several years have been for me. Not just in terms of romance, but everything I've ever been told about life was basically a lie.
I dont know if this is the first redpill mantra but it should be up there
This is a very well-thought-out and well-written comment. +1