Imagine if what you wanted to make yourself happy was something women could give you but women refused to give it to you.
In my own experience, some of them were unbelievably catty, kind of go out of their way to let you know you are unwanted. Even if I'm at a point now where I'm eligible enough to date, I wouldn't want to be stuck with those types of women. So yeah, I understand how MGTOW and incel feel but I can't really call myself bitter as they are.
And Incels don't want this kind of woman either. That's why a lot of them go for young girls. The pain from the affront they faced from women lingers...
What I mean is, Incels do often pick themselves up to a point where they are "eligible enough to date" but they remembered all the women who mistreated them so when a 35yo washed up, hit the wall, single mother decides to date the Incel, he isn't thinking he hit the jackpot, he's thinking where was this woman when he was 20yo? She was getting dicked by Chad while she would go out of her way to let the 20yo Incel know he was unwanted. This type of insult transcends time in the sense that just because he's now wanted by these 35yo single women, it's not actually good enough. He wants the girl when he first fixated on desiring women, which then brings the guy back to teenage girls or young adults, which also happens to coincide with when women were at their peak in terms of beauty. It's not good enough that women might later in life, after they lose their beauty, decide to settle-down with a previous Incel. That's actually insulting to the Incel. Many women don't realize the long-term consequences (nor will they ever realize because they are women or will they ever care) of hurting these men.
I'll also revert back to How The Grinch Stole Christmas. Remember when the Grinch was first hurt, it was when he was young. The woman who saved the Grinch was also a young girl not a 40yo adult woman. Perhaps coincidence for the movie but serves a purpose for the parallel to Incels. Women who treat these men badly when they were young, only to come back to these men when the men are older and already having established themselves are actually insulting the men and making things worse, ironically, as it just fuels the Ince's rage even further that women only want them after the women gave themselves during their peak beauty years to other men other than them and only decided to want the Incels after the women have lost all their value to the Chads. Rather than come to the Incel humble, the woman comes to him acting like he owes her. This just further damage that has already been done. Only a younger version of the woman can ever heal the wounds or she would need to come from a position of being humble not haughty like most of these women do.
single mother decides to date the Incel, he isn't thinking he hit the jackpot, he's thinking where was this woman when he was 20yo? She was getting dicked by Chad while she would go out of her way to let the 20yo Incel know he was unwanted.
And when you realise, even if she decides to settle down, she's gonna ditch the leftover incel if she sees more handsome guy for some reason wants her. If the incel's at best lucky, she's gonna just cheat behind his back and still pretends to love him but if that incel's got bad luck, she's just gonna straight up leave him and fuck him for life. I see no winning move trying to have relationship nowadays if I think realistically. The society's too fucked to live and take the advice of tradcon. I'm biased so I think trying to date in the anglo-west is like playing Russian roulette when I already see a few red flags in average women similar age to me.
Correct. I have 0 desire to date because of numerous reasons, such as what you brought up but also something I've come to realize recently. I don't really enjoy sex unless I'm in a position of power over the woman. If I was a Hollywood producer, I most definitely would be using my position to fuck young celebrities. I totally understand the guys that are into this because it's literally me. I find women in western society are just too equal for me to be attracted to having sex with them. I actually find paying escorts more enjoyable than having sex with the average western woman. It's also why I think I prefer foreign women in poorer countries because they treat you as if you have an elevated status and thus the dynamics in the sex are way better. This might just be a me thing but I think a lot of guys are actually in the same boat but don't realize it. It's way so many guys that fuck around on Tinder seem unstratified despite all the sex because the sex they're getting is lacking the "spark" and I think the spark men are looking for is a woman who has a desire to please the man and women only exhibit this desire to please when there's a strong imbalance between the man and women, such as him being rich, powerful, popular, etc... The more equal women are to men, the less enjoyable the sex is even. Lots of guys think this "spark" is actually romance/intimacy/bond but I think when it comes to men, romance/intimacy/bonding between man and women is derived from a power imbalance. Men don't like equal women.
But that might be another topic to discuss. I imagine I'd get a lot of push back on that. Obviously exceptions to this do exist but I also think it's no coincidence men with money and power often wind up in situations where they're using their power and money to fuck women because it's actually something a lot of men find attractive. The King with the peasant girl mistress because the girl will do anything to please the King compared to the hag of a Queen who thinks she's just as good as the King. No man wants that... They want women with a highly motivated desire to please and women only tend to display this when there's a power imbalance. This is why a "patriarchy" where men were considered superior to women was such a desirable thing for men, it even made the sex better.
But that might be another topic to discuss. I imagine I'd get a lot of push back on that. Obviously exceptions to this do exist but I also think it's no coincidence men with money and power often wind up in situations where they're using their power and money to fuck women because it's actually something a lot of men find attractive. The King with the peasant girl mistress because the girl will do anything to please the King compared to the hag of a Queen who thinks she's just as good as the King.
This part reminds me of a lot of Bill Burr rant. Why do all men work to archive the great things and fuck it all up in the end just to fuck the low status women? I guess you have a point a lot of men want to feel power so they willingly go for submissive women that are found in no western countries.
I would say that women in that case aren't equal to men but higher. They already have a home field advantage in that they can make babies, which gives them inherent value. So if this dynamic were the 100 meter dash, women would be starting 50 meters ahead of men. In order to "balance" this, men have to have successful careers, peak physical condition, confidence, good genes, etc. And that's just to get to parity.
When women get careers and status and lots of money, that puts them farther ahead on the 100 meter dash, and so it becomes near impossible for men to catch up to that.
I would posit that men do actually like equal women, but women are inherently unequal to men in their social value (at least until menopause), and because men have to "catch up" to them, the supply of women that are actually at parity with the average Joe is small.
A great example of this is Japan. Look at what allowing women into the workforce has done to their age demographics. Their birthrate is at an unsustainable pace. People aren't having kids there. The amount of Hikikomori has exploded, and why wouldn't it? Women are hypergamous and giving them careers, status, and money only exacerbates that problem. Men over there are thinking "the game is rigged so the only winning move is not to play".
The real irony of all this, is that for as much misery as it causes men, it also makes women unhappy too, but their inherent nature prevents them from realizing it.
In my own experience, some of them were unbelievably catty, kind of go out of their way to let you know you are unwanted. Even if I'm at a point now where I'm eligible enough to date, I wouldn't want to be stuck with those types of women. So yeah, I understand how MGTOW and incel feel but I can't really call myself bitter as they are
Not just them, they'll go out of there way to broadcast your undesirability so that nothing is mistaken. I still remember one poor idiot when I was a freshmen in high school, poured his heart out into some puppy-love fueled letter which proceeded to be mocked and belittled by our entire science class when it was passed around, even the teacher.
In my own experience, some of them were unbelievably catty, kind of go out of their way to let you know you are unwanted. Even if I'm at a point now where I'm eligible enough to date, I wouldn't want to be stuck with those types of women. So yeah, I understand how MGTOW and incel feel but I can't really call myself bitter as they are.
And Incels don't want this kind of woman either. That's why a lot of them go for young girls. The pain from the affront they faced from women lingers...
What I mean is, Incels do often pick themselves up to a point where they are "eligible enough to date" but they remembered all the women who mistreated them so when a 35yo washed up, hit the wall, single mother decides to date the Incel, he isn't thinking he hit the jackpot, he's thinking where was this woman when he was 20yo? She was getting dicked by Chad while she would go out of her way to let the 20yo Incel know he was unwanted. This type of insult transcends time in the sense that just because he's now wanted by these 35yo single women, it's not actually good enough. He wants the girl when he first fixated on desiring women, which then brings the guy back to teenage girls or young adults, which also happens to coincide with when women were at their peak in terms of beauty. It's not good enough that women might later in life, after they lose their beauty, decide to settle-down with a previous Incel. That's actually insulting to the Incel. Many women don't realize the long-term consequences (nor will they ever realize because they are women or will they ever care) of hurting these men.
I'll also revert back to How The Grinch Stole Christmas. Remember when the Grinch was first hurt, it was when he was young. The woman who saved the Grinch was also a young girl not a 40yo adult woman. Perhaps coincidence for the movie but serves a purpose for the parallel to Incels. Women who treat these men badly when they were young, only to come back to these men when the men are older and already having established themselves are actually insulting the men and making things worse, ironically, as it just fuels the Ince's rage even further that women only want them after the women gave themselves during their peak beauty years to other men other than them and only decided to want the Incels after the women have lost all their value to the Chads. Rather than come to the Incel humble, the woman comes to him acting like he owes her. This just further damage that has already been done. Only a younger version of the woman can ever heal the wounds or she would need to come from a position of being humble not haughty like most of these women do.
And when you realise, even if she decides to settle down, she's gonna ditch the leftover incel if she sees more handsome guy for some reason wants her. If the incel's at best lucky, she's gonna just cheat behind his back and still pretends to love him but if that incel's got bad luck, she's just gonna straight up leave him and fuck him for life. I see no winning move trying to have relationship nowadays if I think realistically. The society's too fucked to live and take the advice of tradcon. I'm biased so I think trying to date in the anglo-west is like playing Russian roulette when I already see a few red flags in average women similar age to me.
Correct. I have 0 desire to date because of numerous reasons, such as what you brought up but also something I've come to realize recently. I don't really enjoy sex unless I'm in a position of power over the woman. If I was a Hollywood producer, I most definitely would be using my position to fuck young celebrities. I totally understand the guys that are into this because it's literally me. I find women in western society are just too equal for me to be attracted to having sex with them. I actually find paying escorts more enjoyable than having sex with the average western woman. It's also why I think I prefer foreign women in poorer countries because they treat you as if you have an elevated status and thus the dynamics in the sex are way better. This might just be a me thing but I think a lot of guys are actually in the same boat but don't realize it. It's way so many guys that fuck around on Tinder seem unstratified despite all the sex because the sex they're getting is lacking the "spark" and I think the spark men are looking for is a woman who has a desire to please the man and women only exhibit this desire to please when there's a strong imbalance between the man and women, such as him being rich, powerful, popular, etc... The more equal women are to men, the less enjoyable the sex is even. Lots of guys think this "spark" is actually romance/intimacy/bond but I think when it comes to men, romance/intimacy/bonding between man and women is derived from a power imbalance. Men don't like equal women.
But that might be another topic to discuss. I imagine I'd get a lot of push back on that. Obviously exceptions to this do exist but I also think it's no coincidence men with money and power often wind up in situations where they're using their power and money to fuck women because it's actually something a lot of men find attractive. The King with the peasant girl mistress because the girl will do anything to please the King compared to the hag of a Queen who thinks she's just as good as the King. No man wants that... They want women with a highly motivated desire to please and women only tend to display this when there's a power imbalance. This is why a "patriarchy" where men were considered superior to women was such a desirable thing for men, it even made the sex better.
This part reminds me of a lot of Bill Burr rant. Why do all men work to archive the great things and fuck it all up in the end just to fuck the low status women? I guess you have a point a lot of men want to feel power so they willingly go for submissive women that are found in no western countries.
I would say that women in that case aren't equal to men but higher. They already have a home field advantage in that they can make babies, which gives them inherent value. So if this dynamic were the 100 meter dash, women would be starting 50 meters ahead of men. In order to "balance" this, men have to have successful careers, peak physical condition, confidence, good genes, etc. And that's just to get to parity.
When women get careers and status and lots of money, that puts them farther ahead on the 100 meter dash, and so it becomes near impossible for men to catch up to that.
I would posit that men do actually like equal women, but women are inherently unequal to men in their social value (at least until menopause), and because men have to "catch up" to them, the supply of women that are actually at parity with the average Joe is small.
A great example of this is Japan. Look at what allowing women into the workforce has done to their age demographics. Their birthrate is at an unsustainable pace. People aren't having kids there. The amount of Hikikomori has exploded, and why wouldn't it? Women are hypergamous and giving them careers, status, and money only exacerbates that problem. Men over there are thinking "the game is rigged so the only winning move is not to play".
The real irony of all this, is that for as much misery as it causes men, it also makes women unhappy too, but their inherent nature prevents them from realizing it.
Not just them, they'll go out of there way to broadcast your undesirability so that nothing is mistaken. I still remember one poor idiot when I was a freshmen in high school, poured his heart out into some puppy-love fueled letter which proceeded to be mocked and belittled by our entire science class when it was passed around, even the teacher.
Yep, I found out that more often girls are way more cruel than the guys when they want to bully someone.