I think what makes it the hardest to get over is a lot of the men can imagine the feeling. They know it's a potential feeling. It could be real, in theory. Then they see it in the media they consume as a possibility and society perpetuates the idea that it's real because people when in public or social media often present their relationships as meeting this ideal even if the truth is much different.
I'm convinced this is why so many guys like anime because the anime does a great job of conveying this potential kind of romance men want even better than western media does. Maybe Japan got fed the same sort of fake love BS from the west after they got conquered by the west and then perfected in to a level better than the west even as Japanese often do with these sorts of things. A little side thing but I was just thinking about it.
This aspect is also key to why so many men develop rage toward women. Imagine if what you wanted to make yourself happy was something women could give you but women refused to give it to you. That would make you bitter. What starts off as bitter, annoyance, unhappiness eventually develops into a blinding rage. Just imagine how you would feel if you were starving for food but you saw rich people eating food and the rich people refused to share that food with you? Most people understand this to be mean and thus many poor people might develop rage toward the rich; however, as woman would say, rich people aren't required to give their possessions to poor people. Poor people aren't entitled to food, or are they? And so we have men that might presume they too are entitled to the love they want.
That's why you get movements like MGTOW that try to help men by encouraging men to make their happiness about something other then women but Incels are so captured by women as the key to their happiness, apparently they even decide to become women themselves.
Imagine if what you wanted to make yourself happy was something women could give you but women refused to give it to you.
In my own experience, some of them were unbelievably catty, kind of go out of their way to let you know you are unwanted. Even if I'm at a point now where I'm eligible enough to date, I wouldn't want to be stuck with those types of women. So yeah, I understand how MGTOW and incel feel but I can't really call myself bitter as they are.
And Incels don't want this kind of woman either. That's why a lot of them go for young girls. The pain from the affront they faced from women lingers...
What I mean is, Incels do often pick themselves up to a point where they are "eligible enough to date" but they remembered all the women who mistreated them so when a 35yo washed up, hit the wall, single mother decides to date the Incel, he isn't thinking he hit the jackpot, he's thinking where was this woman when he was 20yo? She was getting dicked by Chad while she would go out of her way to let the 20yo Incel know he was unwanted. This type of insult transcends time in the sense that just because he's now wanted by these 35yo single women, it's not actually good enough. He wants the girl when he first fixated on desiring women, which then brings the guy back to teenage girls or young adults, which also happens to coincide with when women were at their peak in terms of beauty. It's not good enough that women might later in life, after they lose their beauty, decide to settle-down with a previous Incel. That's actually insulting to the Incel. Many women don't realize the long-term consequences (nor will they ever realize because they are women or will they ever care) of hurting these men.
I'll also revert back to How The Grinch Stole Christmas. Remember when the Grinch was first hurt, it was when he was young. The woman who saved the Grinch was also a young girl not a 40yo adult woman. Perhaps coincidence for the movie but serves a purpose for the parallel to Incels. Women who treat these men badly when they were young, only to come back to these men when the men are older and already having established themselves are actually insulting the men and making things worse, ironically, as it just fuels the Ince's rage even further that women only want them after the women gave themselves during their peak beauty years to other men other than them and only decided to want the Incels after the women have lost all their value to the Chads. Rather than come to the Incel humble, the woman comes to him acting like he owes her. This just further damage that has already been done. Only a younger version of the woman can ever heal the wounds or she would need to come from a position of being humble not haughty like most of these women do.
single mother decides to date the Incel, he isn't thinking he hit the jackpot, he's thinking where was this woman when he was 20yo? She was getting dicked by Chad while she would go out of her way to let the 20yo Incel know he was unwanted.
And when you realise, even if she decides to settle down, she's gonna ditch the leftover incel if she sees more handsome guy for some reason wants her. If the incel's at best lucky, she's gonna just cheat behind his back and still pretends to love him but if that incel's got bad luck, she's just gonna straight up leave him and fuck him for life. I see no winning move trying to have relationship nowadays if I think realistically. The society's too fucked to live and take the advice of tradcon. I'm biased so I think trying to date in the anglo-west is like playing Russian roulette when I already see a few red flags in average women similar age to me.
Correct. I have 0 desire to date because of numerous reasons, such as what you brought up but also something I've come to realize recently. I don't really enjoy sex unless I'm in a position of power over the woman. If I was a Hollywood producer, I most definitely would be using my position to fuck young celebrities. I totally understand the guys that are into this because it's literally me. I find women in western society are just too equal for me to be attracted to having sex with them. I actually find paying escorts more enjoyable than having sex with the average western woman. It's also why I think I prefer foreign women in poorer countries because they treat you as if you have an elevated status and thus the dynamics in the sex are way better. This might just be a me thing but I think a lot of guys are actually in the same boat but don't realize it. It's way so many guys that fuck around on Tinder seem unstratified despite all the sex because the sex they're getting is lacking the "spark" and I think the spark men are looking for is a woman who has a desire to please the man and women only exhibit this desire to please when there's a strong imbalance between the man and women, such as him being rich, powerful, popular, etc... The more equal women are to men, the less enjoyable the sex is even. Lots of guys think this "spark" is actually romance/intimacy/bond but I think when it comes to men, romance/intimacy/bonding between man and women is derived from a power imbalance. Men don't like equal women.
But that might be another topic to discuss. I imagine I'd get a lot of push back on that. Obviously exceptions to this do exist but I also think it's no coincidence men with money and power often wind up in situations where they're using their power and money to fuck women because it's actually something a lot of men find attractive. The King with the peasant girl mistress because the girl will do anything to please the King compared to the hag of a Queen who thinks she's just as good as the King. No man wants that... They want women with a highly motivated desire to please and women only tend to display this when there's a power imbalance. This is why a "patriarchy" where men were considered superior to women was such a desirable thing for men, it even made the sex better.
In my own experience, some of them were unbelievably catty, kind of go out of their way to let you know you are unwanted. Even if I'm at a point now where I'm eligible enough to date, I wouldn't want to be stuck with those types of women. So yeah, I understand how MGTOW and incel feel but I can't really call myself bitter as they are
Not just them, they'll go out of there way to broadcast your undesirability so that nothing is mistaken. I still remember one poor idiot when I was a freshmen in high school, poured his heart out into some puppy-love fueled letter which proceeded to be mocked and belittled by our entire science class when it was passed around, even the teacher.
I'm convinced this is why so many guys like anime because the anime does a great job of conveying this potential kind of romance men want even better than western media does.
Nah, I've just watched some anime myself and immediately I realized the female characters tend to be written almost absolutely perfect for what men desire and it's such a far-cry to how women truly are.
I think what makes it the hardest to get over is a lot of the men can imagine the feeling. They know it's a potential feeling. It could be real, in theory. Then they see it in the media they consume as a possibility and society perpetuates the idea that it's real because people when in public or social media often present their relationships as meeting this ideal even if the truth is much different.
I'm convinced this is why so many guys like anime because the anime does a great job of conveying this potential kind of romance men want even better than western media does. Maybe Japan got fed the same sort of fake love BS from the west after they got conquered by the west and then perfected in to a level better than the west even as Japanese often do with these sorts of things. A little side thing but I was just thinking about it.
This aspect is also key to why so many men develop rage toward women. Imagine if what you wanted to make yourself happy was something women could give you but women refused to give it to you. That would make you bitter. What starts off as bitter, annoyance, unhappiness eventually develops into a blinding rage. Just imagine how you would feel if you were starving for food but you saw rich people eating food and the rich people refused to share that food with you? Most people understand this to be mean and thus many poor people might develop rage toward the rich; however, as woman would say, rich people aren't required to give their possessions to poor people. Poor people aren't entitled to food, or are they? And so we have men that might presume they too are entitled to the love they want.
That's why you get movements like MGTOW that try to help men by encouraging men to make their happiness about something other then women but Incels are so captured by women as the key to their happiness, apparently they even decide to become women themselves.
In my own experience, some of them were unbelievably catty, kind of go out of their way to let you know you are unwanted. Even if I'm at a point now where I'm eligible enough to date, I wouldn't want to be stuck with those types of women. So yeah, I understand how MGTOW and incel feel but I can't really call myself bitter as they are.
And Incels don't want this kind of woman either. That's why a lot of them go for young girls. The pain from the affront they faced from women lingers...
What I mean is, Incels do often pick themselves up to a point where they are "eligible enough to date" but they remembered all the women who mistreated them so when a 35yo washed up, hit the wall, single mother decides to date the Incel, he isn't thinking he hit the jackpot, he's thinking where was this woman when he was 20yo? She was getting dicked by Chad while she would go out of her way to let the 20yo Incel know he was unwanted. This type of insult transcends time in the sense that just because he's now wanted by these 35yo single women, it's not actually good enough. He wants the girl when he first fixated on desiring women, which then brings the guy back to teenage girls or young adults, which also happens to coincide with when women were at their peak in terms of beauty. It's not good enough that women might later in life, after they lose their beauty, decide to settle-down with a previous Incel. That's actually insulting to the Incel. Many women don't realize the long-term consequences (nor will they ever realize because they are women or will they ever care) of hurting these men.
I'll also revert back to How The Grinch Stole Christmas. Remember when the Grinch was first hurt, it was when he was young. The woman who saved the Grinch was also a young girl not a 40yo adult woman. Perhaps coincidence for the movie but serves a purpose for the parallel to Incels. Women who treat these men badly when they were young, only to come back to these men when the men are older and already having established themselves are actually insulting the men and making things worse, ironically, as it just fuels the Ince's rage even further that women only want them after the women gave themselves during their peak beauty years to other men other than them and only decided to want the Incels after the women have lost all their value to the Chads. Rather than come to the Incel humble, the woman comes to him acting like he owes her. This just further damage that has already been done. Only a younger version of the woman can ever heal the wounds or she would need to come from a position of being humble not haughty like most of these women do.
And when you realise, even if she decides to settle down, she's gonna ditch the leftover incel if she sees more handsome guy for some reason wants her. If the incel's at best lucky, she's gonna just cheat behind his back and still pretends to love him but if that incel's got bad luck, she's just gonna straight up leave him and fuck him for life. I see no winning move trying to have relationship nowadays if I think realistically. The society's too fucked to live and take the advice of tradcon. I'm biased so I think trying to date in the anglo-west is like playing Russian roulette when I already see a few red flags in average women similar age to me.
Correct. I have 0 desire to date because of numerous reasons, such as what you brought up but also something I've come to realize recently. I don't really enjoy sex unless I'm in a position of power over the woman. If I was a Hollywood producer, I most definitely would be using my position to fuck young celebrities. I totally understand the guys that are into this because it's literally me. I find women in western society are just too equal for me to be attracted to having sex with them. I actually find paying escorts more enjoyable than having sex with the average western woman. It's also why I think I prefer foreign women in poorer countries because they treat you as if you have an elevated status and thus the dynamics in the sex are way better. This might just be a me thing but I think a lot of guys are actually in the same boat but don't realize it. It's way so many guys that fuck around on Tinder seem unstratified despite all the sex because the sex they're getting is lacking the "spark" and I think the spark men are looking for is a woman who has a desire to please the man and women only exhibit this desire to please when there's a strong imbalance between the man and women, such as him being rich, powerful, popular, etc... The more equal women are to men, the less enjoyable the sex is even. Lots of guys think this "spark" is actually romance/intimacy/bond but I think when it comes to men, romance/intimacy/bonding between man and women is derived from a power imbalance. Men don't like equal women.
But that might be another topic to discuss. I imagine I'd get a lot of push back on that. Obviously exceptions to this do exist but I also think it's no coincidence men with money and power often wind up in situations where they're using their power and money to fuck women because it's actually something a lot of men find attractive. The King with the peasant girl mistress because the girl will do anything to please the King compared to the hag of a Queen who thinks she's just as good as the King. No man wants that... They want women with a highly motivated desire to please and women only tend to display this when there's a power imbalance. This is why a "patriarchy" where men were considered superior to women was such a desirable thing for men, it even made the sex better.
Not just them, they'll go out of there way to broadcast your undesirability so that nothing is mistaken. I still remember one poor idiot when I was a freshmen in high school, poured his heart out into some puppy-love fueled letter which proceeded to be mocked and belittled by our entire science class when it was passed around, even the teacher.
Yep, I found out that more often girls are way more cruel than the guys when they want to bully someone.
Holy fuck dude are you me?
Nah, I've just watched some anime myself and immediately I realized the female characters tend to be written almost absolutely perfect for what men desire and it's such a far-cry to how women truly are.