I came here to post this. The art on the left represents realistic humans. The art on the right is far more stylized. I'm of the opinion that the stylized art isn't as hard to draw as realistic, and I don't like it as much.
To add to this, the images on the left were likely all hand drawn, where as the images on the right were likely all done on a computer. The reason this is important is that the characters on the left had to be drawn by hand hundreds or thousands (I honestly don’t know much about animation) of times, where as on the right they had a computer to help with the animation process. My point being is that not only are the ‘80’s and ‘90’s characters more realistic, but they had to be hand drawn that way to a high level of precision over and over and over. They are not the same.
I'm not really into art, I just know what I like, so I had to look up CalArts Style. TIL:
There’s really no strict definition for what the CalArts style is. It honestly depends on who you ask. In general, though, it’s been used by critics in a derogatory sense to criticize animators for a lack of creativity and a generally lazy approach to animation. It typically involves thin-lined drawings, characters with rounded faces and noodle-like arms and legs, and generic colors and shapes. The characters also typically feature large heads, small bodies, and ovular eyes.
What I found even more interesting, is it the term was coined by the creator of Ren and Stimpy, and he alleges that it's the product of a school-to-work pipeline between the California institute of the Arts and Disney. Basically these people are just lazy animators because they know that they will get a job when they graduate. Interesting.
One other thing I've seen of the style that again fits with "lazy animators" is the flatness of the illustration - left side, there's shading there, there's extra lines that help you imagine the shape of the head being drawn.
Right side, it's a Mr Potato Head. No definition to anything - presumably, that'd slow down the output, and that's not something the Fun Factory can tolerate...
from how i understand it these awful styles like calarts and that one corprate clipart like one are desigend to be easy to learn and replicate so as to make artists using it easily interchangeable and replaceable.
You know exactly what I mean. Anyone that can draw the GI Joes on the left can draw Peppa Pig, but the reverse isn't true. Fuck, I can draw Peppa Pig and probably half of the characters on the right.
Art colleges don't even teach anatomy anymore. It takes many hours to be able to draw people in their proper proportions and with all the little bulges that show correct underneath muscles and bones.
What I was about to say. If anything he confirms the point he was mocking. As an 80s baby I watched GI Joe, He-Man, Thundercats, Mask, Turtles, and they were drawn great to me
Your taste in cartoons matches your taste in comics!
GI Joe, He-Man, Thundercats, Mask, TMNT
Oddly enough when considering that list MASK had had no live action adaptation. Then again Matt Trakker is pretty much a poster boy for Aryans so that's one diversity casting locked in.
I’m honestly surprised nobody has decided to ruin….I mean adapt MASK. I actually didn’t hate those GI Joe movies from about 10 years ago. Weren’t great but weren’t horrible. Didn’t see that snake eyes movie. Also hope they leave the Centurions, Silverhawk, Lonestar, and COPS alone.
Look at what they did to my boy, Matt. I used to watch VHSs of MASK when I was a kid and still remember the episode where Matt was returning the crystal he had used to create the whole MASK technology back to some Incan/Aztec like group that could juggle boulders when the moon was just right. There was a play on words involving the sun and the chieftain's son that led to the downfall of VENOM that episode.
As a 90s baby we had X-men, Spiderman, Batman: The Animated Series, Superman, Gargoyles, those Disney Afternoon shows, Animaniacs, Freakazoid! to list a few.
I look at his post and it's a pretty narly self-own.
Even when they were bad, they could be made great. Through Razorfist, I discovered there was a cartoon of Battletech/Mechwarrior made in the 90's. It was absolute ham, completely over the top, didnt really fit the tone of most Battletech lore, and there were a lot of other non-canon things that happened with it. So the show only lasted for one season and then was ended.
BUT, the Battletech lore owners decided to run with it, and made the cartoon canon. Not that the cartoon story was canon, the cartoon itself is canon to the Battletech world. In lore, it was made as childrens propaganda for the Inner Sphere, which is why it portrays the Clans so over the top.
I just thought it was a fun way of sidestepping a bad product, and you would never see modern Hollywood think up something like that.
I came here to post this. The art on the left represents realistic humans. The art on the right is far more stylized. I'm of the opinion that the stylized art isn't as hard to draw as realistic, and I don't like it as much.
To add to this, the images on the left were likely all hand drawn, where as the images on the right were likely all done on a computer. The reason this is important is that the characters on the left had to be drawn by hand hundreds or thousands (I honestly don’t know much about animation) of times, where as on the right they had a computer to help with the animation process. My point being is that not only are the ‘80’s and ‘90’s characters more realistic, but they had to be hand drawn that way to a high level of precision over and over and over. They are not the same.
There's nothing wrong with stylized characters. The problem is when they're all stylized the same way.
I've heard similar comments regarding the "Cal Arts" style, which doesn't seem well suited to representing human beings...
I'm not really into art, I just know what I like, so I had to look up CalArts Style. TIL:
What I found even more interesting, is it the term was coined by the creator of Ren and Stimpy, and he alleges that it's the product of a school-to-work pipeline between the California institute of the Arts and Disney. Basically these people are just lazy animators because they know that they will get a job when they graduate. Interesting.
One other thing I've seen of the style that again fits with "lazy animators" is the flatness of the illustration - left side, there's shading there, there's extra lines that help you imagine the shape of the head being drawn.
Right side, it's a Mr Potato Head. No definition to anything - presumably, that'd slow down the output, and that's not something the Fun Factory can tolerate...
from how i understand it these awful styles like calarts and that one corprate clipart like one are desigend to be easy to learn and replicate so as to make artists using it easily interchangeable and replaceable.
No one tell him that realism is an artistic style.
You know exactly what I mean. Anyone that can draw the GI Joes on the left can draw Peppa Pig, but the reverse isn't true. Fuck, I can draw Peppa Pig and probably half of the characters on the right.
Art colleges don't even teach anatomy anymore. It takes many hours to be able to draw people in their proper proportions and with all the little bulges that show correct underneath muscles and bones.
Let's not pretend GI Joe wasn't done as cheaply as possible to sell plastic shit to little Bobby.
What I was about to say. If anything he confirms the point he was mocking. As an 80s baby I watched GI Joe, He-Man, Thundercats, Mask, Turtles, and they were drawn great to me
Your taste in cartoons matches your taste in comics!
Oddly enough when considering that list MASK had had no live action adaptation. Then again Matt Trakker is pretty much a poster boy for Aryans so that's one diversity casting locked in.
I’m honestly surprised nobody has decided to ruin….I mean adapt MASK. I actually didn’t hate those GI Joe movies from about 10 years ago. Weren’t great but weren’t horrible. Didn’t see that snake eyes movie. Also hope they leave the Centurions, Silverhawk, Lonestar, and COPS alone.
I have been playing this since making my above comment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2Z1yLO9C-Q
Extended version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf5Bi0IGAxk
Did you mean Bravestar? From planet [New] TEXAS!
And this.
Of course even with that cast line up it still wouldn't be enough for the modern Woke Left.
Full version of the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gla6FVEnJcg
Fucking lol I knew Matt would get changed from a blonde, blue eyed male to that. Might as well call the show KANG, oh wait Marvel changed that too.
Ha. That is exactly what I’d expect. Modern audience.
Look at what they did to my boy, Matt. I used to watch VHSs of MASK when I was a kid and still remember the episode where Matt was returning the crystal he had used to create the whole MASK technology back to some Incan/Aztec like group that could juggle boulders when the moon was just right. There was a play on words involving the sun and the chieftain's son that led to the downfall of VENOM that episode.
As a 90s baby we had X-men, Spiderman, Batman: The Animated Series, Superman, Gargoyles, those Disney Afternoon shows, Animaniacs, Freakazoid! to list a few.
I look at his post and it's a pretty narly self-own.
I was watching those as well. 80s and 90s tv and cartoons are great
Even when they were bad, they could be made great. Through Razorfist, I discovered there was a cartoon of Battletech/Mechwarrior made in the 90's. It was absolute ham, completely over the top, didnt really fit the tone of most Battletech lore, and there were a lot of other non-canon things that happened with it. So the show only lasted for one season and then was ended.
BUT, the Battletech lore owners decided to run with it, and made the cartoon canon. Not that the cartoon story was canon, the cartoon itself is canon to the Battletech world. In lore, it was made as childrens propaganda for the Inner Sphere, which is why it portrays the Clans so over the top.
I just thought it was a fun way of sidestepping a bad product, and you would never see modern Hollywood think up something like that.