Seriously, if you haven't seen it, the politics of it are ahead of its time, in that they are the mainstream "liberal" view, now, even if they weren't in the year 2000 when it was made...
One of my parents' favourite movies, apparently. As I'm sure is the case for a few too many virtue signalling NPCs, unfortunately...
They should remake the movie in modern day France, only this time have some woke chocolatier try to tempt a small town to break their vows over Ramadan.
Did they ever have a philosopher that wasn't a child rapist? Because honestly, at this point it's all just a bunch of pedophiles, the only difference is if they were fag pedos or non-fag pedos.
Give Solomon Kane a try. 2009 fantasy horror action movie, based on Robert E Howard's stories. Pretty solidly pro-Christian, even though the writers got confused and tried to make Kane a Catholic instead of a Puritan and then switched him back. Much ass gets kicked in the battles against demons and their supporters.
Every "intelligent, attractive city-dweller goes to backwards small town and teaches them how to live" movie is hedonistic propaganda. And there are a lot of them. It's one of the easiest ways to make hedonism seem normal, because it's depicted as an alternative - nay, the only alternative - to totalitarian repression. That's why any time you suggest that perhaps drug-fueled orgies aren't a healthy way to live, one billion normies descend on you to call you a prude and a fundie. They've been trained to believe in the false dichotomy of self-destruction vs. self-repression, and self-destruction is more "fun".
That's also why I have zero sympathy when these people end up dying young due to their penchant for making flagrantly bad decisions just because the TV told them to. You spent your whole life laughing at me because I told you not to drive drunk, and now your spine is wrapped around a lamppost. Who's laughing now? Me. I am.
They go from “relatively harmless, if staid religious fundamentalism” to “peak 60s hedonism, Catholic edition” with the whole “free love, diversity makes us stronk, women be powerful and independent” thing…
Like, it is extreme…
It’s not “As It Is In Heaven”. It’s not subtle (though nor is that one. It’s just done better). It’s like… “Beat you over the head with moralizing”-type storytelling…
I really don’t think that description does it justice.
The main character is a *pagan, gypsy witch”. It’s not exactly subtle…
Ah, I see. Yeah, well she's definitely a pagan and a gypsy, and the chocolate is magical (debatably), but it's sort of... Left open as to whether she is a witch or not, and, if so, what "type" of witch she may be...
Which I suppose is part of the point of the whole thing.
In my understanding, having not sat through the whole thing previously, she belongs to some matrilineal tradition of single gypsy mothers who go to a village, change it into... Well, hedonist central, have a daughter with someone, and then, basically, disappear and go and fuck up the next town, when the "magic north wind" calls them.
It's all very wishy-washy, but basically... You get the idea. "Magic feminist liberalism".
The movie is like… An indie feminist touchstone (as is the other one I mention). I have no idea whether he noticed, or cared, when he made it, but it is somewhat ironic, in hindsight…
Master and Commander is... Well, it certainly doesn't feel like propaganda, in the same way, to me. Sure, the doctor plays a prominent role for a while, but it is not the main focus of the movie. That's very different to Chocolat or Tomatoes.
Master and Commander doesn't represent the contemporary "zeitgeist" or philosophy of our current "social betters". Chocolat, which I'm gonna assume you haven't seen, really, really does (and Tomatoes does even more so)...
Faggots or not.
I admit I haven't heard of the Ninth Gate, though. I'm not a huge fan of Depp, in most things, so I haven't really sought it out, admittedly...
AS for why this matters - I think it's important to observe that "wokeness" isn't a new phenomenon, and that, while movies like these were relatively rare, up until the last decade, the culture war was well underway, by then, and Hollywood was quite happy to use the guise of "indie flick" or "set in period France" as an excuse to shove vast amounts of woke propaganda down people's throats...
This movie ain't exactly obscure, after all. Though nor is it Disney/Pixar, who, obviously, this kind of political bent is kind of a given for, even in films made in the mid-2000s...
Seriously, if you haven't seen it, the politics of it are ahead of its time, in that they are the mainstream "liberal" view, now, even if they weren't in the year 2000 when it was made...
One of my parents' favourite movies, apparently. As I'm sure is the case for a few too many virtue signalling NPCs, unfortunately...
Observing lent is one of the most milquetoast inoffensive parts of Christianity. The fact that lent is the basis for the conflict is insane.
The mere suggestion of restraint, let alone VOLUNTARY AND CUSTOMIZED, is LITERAL sin to a leftist.
Sober October is Lent for Dude-weed types, btw
Yeah, we have “Febfast”, “Dry July” AND “Ocsober” here…
None around Easter Time/Lent (presumably deliberately). All very fucking tiresome…
Let alone “For the Love Of (Our Future)” which is the climate cult-specific version…
They’ve changed the frame, and kept the window, essentially…
It’s exactly the same, lol…
They should remake the movie in modern day France, only this time have some woke chocolatier try to tempt a small town to break their vows over Ramadan.
Its French, they invented this shit
Did they ever have a philosopher that wasn't a child rapist? Because honestly, at this point it's all just a bunch of pedophiles, the only difference is if they were fag pedos or non-fag pedos.
Descartes, and other ancient masters, but they're more mathematicians first, philosophers distant second
I mean, true, in that it is set in France, and Binoche is French, but the movie isn’t. It’s American. There’s barely a word of actual French in it.
Which is amusing.
Characters are French, played in the least French way possible. It’s like… Caricature level. Which, I suspect, is partly why I disliked it so…
"We do not even have a language! Just a stoopid accent!"
"She's right. She's right! We all talk like Maurice Chevalier!"
Give Solomon Kane a try. 2009 fantasy horror action movie, based on Robert E Howard's stories. Pretty solidly pro-Christian, even though the writers got confused and tried to make Kane a Catholic instead of a Puritan and then switched him back. Much ass gets kicked in the battles against demons and their supporters.
Every "intelligent, attractive city-dweller goes to backwards small town and teaches them how to live" movie is hedonistic propaganda. And there are a lot of them. It's one of the easiest ways to make hedonism seem normal, because it's depicted as an alternative - nay, the only alternative - to totalitarian repression. That's why any time you suggest that perhaps drug-fueled orgies aren't a healthy way to live, one billion normies descend on you to call you a prude and a fundie. They've been trained to believe in the false dichotomy of self-destruction vs. self-repression, and self-destruction is more "fun".
That's also why I have zero sympathy when these people end up dying young due to their penchant for making flagrantly bad decisions just because the TV told them to. You spent your whole life laughing at me because I told you not to drive drunk, and now your spine is wrapped around a lamppost. Who's laughing now? Me. I am.
What's wrong with this? Bringing freedom and democracy to France.
Have you… Seen it?
They go from “relatively harmless, if staid religious fundamentalism” to “peak 60s hedonism, Catholic edition” with the whole “free love, diversity makes us stronk, women be powerful and independent” thing…
Like, it is extreme…
It’s not “As It Is In Heaven”. It’s not subtle (though nor is that one. It’s just done better). It’s like… “Beat you over the head with moralizing”-type storytelling…
I really don’t think that description does it justice.
The main character is a *pagan, gypsy witch”. It’s not exactly subtle…
I was kidding. I thought the 'freedom and democracy' would be a giveaway.
Pagan gypsy witch? Jesus Christ.
Ah, I see. Yeah, well she's definitely a pagan and a gypsy, and the chocolate is magical (debatably), but it's sort of... Left open as to whether she is a witch or not, and, if so, what "type" of witch she may be...
Which I suppose is part of the point of the whole thing.
In my understanding, having not sat through the whole thing previously, she belongs to some matrilineal tradition of single gypsy mothers who go to a village, change it into... Well, hedonist central, have a daughter with someone, and then, basically, disappear and go and fuck up the next town, when the "magic north wind" calls them.
It's all very wishy-washy, but basically... You get the idea. "Magic feminist liberalism".
Weird movie.
I wonder if he regrets all the indirect support he gave to the movement that tried to destroy him.
Yeah, I also noted that irony.
The movie is like… An indie feminist touchstone (as is the other one I mention). I have no idea whether he noticed, or cared, when he made it, but it is somewhat ironic, in hindsight…
Paganism died because it's stupid and it leads nowhere good.
You realize that link is Slate?
If you care to know:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRAUCdCjHZg
Like Aztecs committing human sacrifices? Nonsense.
You shouldn't take information from negative credibility media.
That wasn't a strawman, that was an example of a pagan ethnoreligion that you claim are superior to Christianity.
I don't understand what point you're making with that.
Have you abandoned the "Christianity is a hollow shell due to liberal capitalism" argument?
You haven't. Aztec religion isn't superior to Christianity.
Individuals not living up to their values doesn't invalidate the value system itself. The existence of evil doesn't disprove God, for example.
Agreed. In that sense, Christianity is the greatest value system ever conceived.
Have you watched the video I linked? I don't see how you can think capitalism has hollowed out the Church.
Master and Commander is... Well, it certainly doesn't feel like propaganda, in the same way, to me. Sure, the doctor plays a prominent role for a while, but it is not the main focus of the movie. That's very different to Chocolat or Tomatoes.
Master and Commander doesn't represent the contemporary "zeitgeist" or philosophy of our current "social betters". Chocolat, which I'm gonna assume you haven't seen, really, really does (and Tomatoes does even more so)...
Faggots or not.
I admit I haven't heard of the Ninth Gate, though. I'm not a huge fan of Depp, in most things, so I haven't really sought it out, admittedly...
AS for why this matters - I think it's important to observe that "wokeness" isn't a new phenomenon, and that, while movies like these were relatively rare, up until the last decade, the culture war was well underway, by then, and Hollywood was quite happy to use the guise of "indie flick" or "set in period France" as an excuse to shove vast amounts of woke propaganda down people's throats...
This movie ain't exactly obscure, after all. Though nor is it Disney/Pixar, who, obviously, this kind of political bent is kind of a given for, even in films made in the mid-2000s...