“Not looking for anything serious right now” is code for “not looking for anything serious with you ever”. It means she wants attention and will happily take your money, but she doesn’t view you as a suitable long term mate.
Women don’t make up rules and boundaries if they want to be with you. They break rules and boundaries if they want to be with you.
Sadly I didn’t learn this until my early to mid 20s. Before that I thought with time they would change their mind. That only happens in rom-coms. Anything but an enthusiastic yes is a no.
It's not quite the same thing, I feel. Imp is openly a misogynist (pretty sure you would admit that, hey Imp?), whereas that is just... Nihilism, mainly.
I honestly think it comes down to life experience, though, really.
I assume Imp has had mostly terrible experiences with women, specifically, which has led to... The extremism. I don't know exactly what you, yourself have been through (mostly).
For me, though - I've seen people do some pretty horrific shit (perhaps others here have seen worse. Perhaps not), so I realised... Fairly early on, that people, as an uncontained "mass", in their "raw state", let's say, tend to be... Not that good. Even just arbitrarily and randomly, with no reason to be so.
But I try, try not to let that bitterness and cynicism define me, or take over my psyche (which is, evidently, a struggle, as you have seen), because from experience, if you don't... Contain that, you end up a bitter, miserable, cruel person. And I've seen two generations of family go that way. I don't want to be like that, too.
Becoming like that is no way to live, I'll say that much...
It's not quite the same thing, I feel. Imp is openly a misogynist (pretty sure you would admit that, hey Imp?),
Actually, he denies that it exists. He admits to hating women, but says that it's not misogyny because it is "justified".
whereas that is just... Nihilism, mainly.
It isn't. It's historical Christian teaching, which is accurate even if one rejects the religion. Nihilism would be closer to saying that there is no good or bad.
I assume Imp has had mostly terrible experiences with women, specifically, which has led to... The extremism. I don't know exactly what you, yourself have been through (mostly).
Actually, nothing at all. It was thanks to the internet that I got acquainted with the dark side of humanity. As for Imp, he denies that it is his personal experience, so I assume it's the echo chamber effect. Which also makes feminists grossly overestimate the amount of rape that takes place.
Fairly early on, that people, as an uncontained "mass", in their "raw state", let's say, tend to be... Not that good. Even just arbitrarily and randomly, with no reason to be so.
There almost always is a reason. Even someone who tortures cats has a reason for it: his sick nature makes him take pleasure in inflicting suffering on other beings.
But I try, try not to let that bitterness and cynicism define me
There's no need for cynicism to lead to bitterness. The universe doesn't care about you. Neither do other humans, with a tiny number of exceptions. You need to care about you, because no one else will. And what does it matter if they're bad? Guard yourself against it so you don't have to suffer from it.
And I've seen two generations of family go that way. I don't want to be like that, too.
Part of it is probably genetic, so it's good that you are actively struggling against it.
I am that cynical. I'd go as far as to say women or someone supporting them deliberately created the lie.
Biology doesn't agree with the idea of love, neither does evolution.
Women with loyalty wouldn't survive in the past, they were killed for not changing sides. So what you get is the likes of Ukrainian women, registering on Tinder because their old partners will probably die in the war. That is the truth of women, that they will only care about you until it becomes inconvenient.
That's a reason I can't understand incels. They're not being denied love, there's no such thing, just a bunch of TV propaganda telling them there is.
Ask the men dying in the pointless Russia-Ukraine war whether women are capable of love.
I’ve been very cynical as well after the many times I’ve gotten the “you are such a great guy but I’m not interested speech” only to see the go off with a dude who is unemployed and has no intention of working or a dude that’s in and out of jail but I still have hope
Nice doesn't cut it. Nice isn't going to protect or feed her (hypothetical) kids, or provide her with good genes. In fact, it might be an impediment. Strength, wealth and status is. The guy in and out of jail probably has the first, possibly the second. As for the ones chasing unemployed men, you probably don't want those.
I get that and learned these lessons later than I should’ve but learned them in my 20s. I mentioned the unemployment and jail thing because I’ve heard these very women whine about not being able to find good men.
I have a cousin that used to brag about how he doesn’t like to work because there was always a woman dumb enough to pay his bills… and he was right apparently
Hey I’m currently single. I do hope to meet a good woman. You can’t be that cynical that you don’t think romance is real.
For what is worth I think romance is real and beautiful but takes a lot of work to keep it going.
Your telling me. I’m still working at it. I have the record for meeting the most women who “aren’t looking for anything serious at the moment”
“Not looking for anything serious right now” is code for “not looking for anything serious with you ever”. It means she wants attention and will happily take your money, but she doesn’t view you as a suitable long term mate.
Women don’t make up rules and boundaries if they want to be with you. They break rules and boundaries if they want to be with you.
Sadly I didn’t learn this until my early to mid 20s. Before that I thought with time they would change their mind. That only happens in rom-coms. Anything but an enthusiastic yes is a no.
That surprises me, given we agree more often than not.
It is also very rare. Feminism is going to kill romance entirely
Have you… “Met” Imp..?
He may well be the most cynical person here, at least when it comes to things like this, lol…
Sadly for him. And sadly for us, in that we have to hear it constantly…
True but like the real Luke Skywalker I believe there is still good in him.
He can be unironically right, sometimes. I grant you that.
If you avoid his various “pet issues”, at least.
Though he is completely batshit, when it comes to this particular stuff, lol…
Pretty sure I have him beat. He only says that women are bad. I say that humans in general are bad. I'm at least twice as realistic as he is.
Yeah, but I actually agree with you, there...
It's not quite the same thing, I feel. Imp is openly a misogynist (pretty sure you would admit that, hey Imp?), whereas that is just... Nihilism, mainly.
I honestly think it comes down to life experience, though, really.
I assume Imp has had mostly terrible experiences with women, specifically, which has led to... The extremism. I don't know exactly what you, yourself have been through (mostly).
For me, though - I've seen people do some pretty horrific shit (perhaps others here have seen worse. Perhaps not), so I realised... Fairly early on, that people, as an uncontained "mass", in their "raw state", let's say, tend to be... Not that good. Even just arbitrarily and randomly, with no reason to be so.
But I try, try not to let that bitterness and cynicism define me, or take over my psyche (which is, evidently, a struggle, as you have seen), because from experience, if you don't... Contain that, you end up a bitter, miserable, cruel person. And I've seen two generations of family go that way. I don't want to be like that, too.
Becoming like that is no way to live, I'll say that much...
Actually, he denies that it exists. He admits to hating women, but says that it's not misogyny because it is "justified".
It isn't. It's historical Christian teaching, which is accurate even if one rejects the religion. Nihilism would be closer to saying that there is no good or bad.
Actually, nothing at all. It was thanks to the internet that I got acquainted with the dark side of humanity. As for Imp, he denies that it is his personal experience, so I assume it's the echo chamber effect. Which also makes feminists grossly overestimate the amount of rape that takes place.
There almost always is a reason. Even someone who tortures cats has a reason for it: his sick nature makes him take pleasure in inflicting suffering on other beings.
There's no need for cynicism to lead to bitterness. The universe doesn't care about you. Neither do other humans, with a tiny number of exceptions. You need to care about you, because no one else will. And what does it matter if they're bad? Guard yourself against it so you don't have to suffer from it.
Part of it is probably genetic, so it's good that you are actively struggling against it.
I am that cynical. I'd go as far as to say women or someone supporting them deliberately created the lie.
Biology doesn't agree with the idea of love, neither does evolution.
Women with loyalty wouldn't survive in the past, they were killed for not changing sides. So what you get is the likes of Ukrainian women, registering on Tinder because their old partners will probably die in the war. That is the truth of women, that they will only care about you until it becomes inconvenient.
That's a reason I can't understand incels. They're not being denied love, there's no such thing, just a bunch of TV propaganda telling them there is.
Ask the men dying in the pointless Russia-Ukraine war whether women are capable of love.
I’ve been very cynical as well after the many times I’ve gotten the “you are such a great guy but I’m not interested speech” only to see the go off with a dude who is unemployed and has no intention of working or a dude that’s in and out of jail but I still have hope
Read Robert Wright's The Moral Animal.
Nice doesn't cut it. Nice isn't going to protect or feed her (hypothetical) kids, or provide her with good genes. In fact, it might be an impediment. Strength, wealth and status is. The guy in and out of jail probably has the first, possibly the second. As for the ones chasing unemployed men, you probably don't want those.
I get that and learned these lessons later than I should’ve but learned them in my 20s. I mentioned the unemployment and jail thing because I’ve heard these very women whine about not being able to find good men.
I have a cousin that used to brag about how he doesn’t like to work because there was always a woman dumb enough to pay his bills… and he was right apparently