It's not quite the same thing, I feel. Imp is openly a misogynist (pretty sure you would admit that, hey Imp?), whereas that is just... Nihilism, mainly.
I honestly think it comes down to life experience, though, really.
I assume Imp has had mostly terrible experiences with women, specifically, which has led to... The extremism. I don't know exactly what you, yourself have been through (mostly).
For me, though - I've seen people do some pretty horrific shit (perhaps others here have seen worse. Perhaps not), so I realised... Fairly early on, that people, as an uncontained "mass", in their "raw state", let's say, tend to be... Not that good. Even just arbitrarily and randomly, with no reason to be so.
But I try, try not to let that bitterness and cynicism define me, or take over my psyche (which is, evidently, a struggle, as you have seen), because from experience, if you don't... Contain that, you end up a bitter, miserable, cruel person. And I've seen two generations of family go that way. I don't want to be like that, too.
Becoming like that is no way to live, I'll say that much...
It's not quite the same thing, I feel. Imp is openly a misogynist (pretty sure you would admit that, hey Imp?),
Actually, he denies that it exists. He admits to hating women, but says that it's not misogyny because it is "justified".
whereas that is just... Nihilism, mainly.
It isn't. It's historical Christian teaching, which is accurate even if one rejects the religion. Nihilism would be closer to saying that there is no good or bad.
I assume Imp has had mostly terrible experiences with women, specifically, which has led to... The extremism. I don't know exactly what you, yourself have been through (mostly).
Actually, nothing at all. It was thanks to the internet that I got acquainted with the dark side of humanity. As for Imp, he denies that it is his personal experience, so I assume it's the echo chamber effect. Which also makes feminists grossly overestimate the amount of rape that takes place.
Fairly early on, that people, as an uncontained "mass", in their "raw state", let's say, tend to be... Not that good. Even just arbitrarily and randomly, with no reason to be so.
There almost always is a reason. Even someone who tortures cats has a reason for it: his sick nature makes him take pleasure in inflicting suffering on other beings.
But I try, try not to let that bitterness and cynicism define me
There's no need for cynicism to lead to bitterness. The universe doesn't care about you. Neither do other humans, with a tiny number of exceptions. You need to care about you, because no one else will. And what does it matter if they're bad? Guard yourself against it so you don't have to suffer from it.
And I've seen two generations of family go that way. I don't want to be like that, too.
Part of it is probably genetic, so it's good that you are actively struggling against it.
On the last sentence… It may be, but I think it’s more learned than innate…
I find it far too easy to act completely differently to them for it to come down to pure genetics - I think it’s more that the abuse and negativity is passed down, each generation learns it, and never grows out of it.
But given that several of my cousins are like this, you’re probably right. Genetics must play a part…
I dunno. It took me a long time to overcome it, and it still amazes me how much people hate me for how I acted like a decade ago, but I think I’m getting there.
Agreed that the universe doesn’t care. I’ve had terrible “luck” my whole life. But I’ve just had to accept that, say “fuck it”, and work with what I’ve got. Because otherwise… Clearly I would not be here, now.
I could very easily also hate women for the way they have almost always treated me, online and off, but it’s just not worth my energy, frankly. The ones that did what they did don’t deserve another second of my time.
But it took me years and years to learn that, so maybe it’s just… Something you grow into.
Or don’t, as was the point, here.
I try not to judge arbitrary groups of people by their immutable characteristics. I used to. Not anymore.
Except leftists. Fuck leftists. And like, “drag queen story time” exponents. They can definitely rot.
I find it far too easy to act completely differently to them for it to come down to pure genetics
Genetics aren't all or nothing. They're just predispositions. For example, some people are more easily addicted than others. Obviously, you're not going to be addicted if you're not around addictive substances though.
it still amazes me how much people hate me for how I acted like a decade ago, but I think I’m getting there.
I have the opposite problem. I've always acted the exact way I wanted, annoying people, and it amazes me that people never hated me for it.
Agreed that the universe doesn’t care. I’ve had terrible “luck” my whole life.
I know it's not solace at all, but in the grand scheme of things, anyone growing up in the first world has at least extraordinary luck when it comes to material comforts. How little this matters in the end is reflected in the rates of psychological issues in the West vs. others places.
I try not to judge arbitrary groups of people by their immutable characteristics. I used to. Not anymore.
Except leftists. Fuck leftists. And like, “drag queen story time” exponents. They can definitely rot.
Fortunately, that is not immutable. At least by Murican standards, I considered myself on the left before they went completely insane around 2014.
Yeah, but I actually agree with you, there...
It's not quite the same thing, I feel. Imp is openly a misogynist (pretty sure you would admit that, hey Imp?), whereas that is just... Nihilism, mainly.
I honestly think it comes down to life experience, though, really.
I assume Imp has had mostly terrible experiences with women, specifically, which has led to... The extremism. I don't know exactly what you, yourself have been through (mostly).
For me, though - I've seen people do some pretty horrific shit (perhaps others here have seen worse. Perhaps not), so I realised... Fairly early on, that people, as an uncontained "mass", in their "raw state", let's say, tend to be... Not that good. Even just arbitrarily and randomly, with no reason to be so.
But I try, try not to let that bitterness and cynicism define me, or take over my psyche (which is, evidently, a struggle, as you have seen), because from experience, if you don't... Contain that, you end up a bitter, miserable, cruel person. And I've seen two generations of family go that way. I don't want to be like that, too.
Becoming like that is no way to live, I'll say that much...
Actually, he denies that it exists. He admits to hating women, but says that it's not misogyny because it is "justified".
It isn't. It's historical Christian teaching, which is accurate even if one rejects the religion. Nihilism would be closer to saying that there is no good or bad.
Actually, nothing at all. It was thanks to the internet that I got acquainted with the dark side of humanity. As for Imp, he denies that it is his personal experience, so I assume it's the echo chamber effect. Which also makes feminists grossly overestimate the amount of rape that takes place.
There almost always is a reason. Even someone who tortures cats has a reason for it: his sick nature makes him take pleasure in inflicting suffering on other beings.
There's no need for cynicism to lead to bitterness. The universe doesn't care about you. Neither do other humans, with a tiny number of exceptions. You need to care about you, because no one else will. And what does it matter if they're bad? Guard yourself against it so you don't have to suffer from it.
Part of it is probably genetic, so it's good that you are actively struggling against it.
On the last sentence… It may be, but I think it’s more learned than innate…
I find it far too easy to act completely differently to them for it to come down to pure genetics - I think it’s more that the abuse and negativity is passed down, each generation learns it, and never grows out of it.
But given that several of my cousins are like this, you’re probably right. Genetics must play a part…
I dunno. It took me a long time to overcome it, and it still amazes me how much people hate me for how I acted like a decade ago, but I think I’m getting there.
Agreed that the universe doesn’t care. I’ve had terrible “luck” my whole life. But I’ve just had to accept that, say “fuck it”, and work with what I’ve got. Because otherwise… Clearly I would not be here, now.
I could very easily also hate women for the way they have almost always treated me, online and off, but it’s just not worth my energy, frankly. The ones that did what they did don’t deserve another second of my time.
But it took me years and years to learn that, so maybe it’s just… Something you grow into.
Or don’t, as was the point, here.
I try not to judge arbitrary groups of people by their immutable characteristics. I used to. Not anymore.
Except leftists. Fuck leftists. And like, “drag queen story time” exponents. They can definitely rot.
Genetics aren't all or nothing. They're just predispositions. For example, some people are more easily addicted than others. Obviously, you're not going to be addicted if you're not around addictive substances though.
I have the opposite problem. I've always acted the exact way I wanted, annoying people, and it amazes me that people never hated me for it.
I know it's not solace at all, but in the grand scheme of things, anyone growing up in the first world has at least extraordinary luck when it comes to material comforts. How little this matters in the end is reflected in the rates of psychological issues in the West vs. others places.
Fortunately, that is not immutable. At least by Murican standards, I considered myself on the left before they went completely insane around 2014.