You mean when it withdrew in quite an orderly manner and the government it installed lasted for another 3 years, whereas your clown country hadn't even left when the government it had installed collapsed like a house of cards, you left your own subjects behind, your marines were blown up, and you avenged them by blowing up the kids of one of your allies?
This is not even taking into account that they stayed 10 years, you stayed 20 years. Their enemies had the support of a major world power , yours did not (Or do you also buy into wild CIA conspiracy theories about Russian bounties?)
The US sat on the Taliban for 20 years and was never defeated. We only left because Biden wanted to, not because we were losing. In fact, we were holding the Taliban down with only a handful of troops by 2020.
US total combat deaths in 20 years: 1,932
Soviet total deaths in under 10 years: about 15,000
Also it led to the fall of the Soviet Union since it discredited the USSR as a military power.
Even at its peak, while the USSR Russians were certainly far more capable than the Russians of today, they were still a second-tier force far less efficient and effective than western forces.
The USSR left because Gorbachev wanted to.
Yes, but Gorbachev didn't want to out of idiotic ideology like Biden, Gorbachev wanted out because Afghanistan was a massive drag on the USSR both in terms of sapping it militarily as well as politically. He was cutting losses. Biden, on the other hand, inherited a won war which was only in a very low level maintenance phase where only a small US force was good enough to support the Afghans to hold down the Taliban indefinitely.
Unfortunately, dumbass Trump, [Trump's Afghan idiocy was one area he broke with Republicans and conservatives] with his massive hard-on for isolationism and being "historic" - imagining it was his "Nixon goes to China" moment - had already made moves to try to "make peace" with the Taliban. This gave Biden the political cover he needed to simply pull out without any real peace, whining "Trump started it". He didn't do this because the Taliban was putting pressure in terms of casualties - no Americans had died in combat in YEARS - but rather because the Democrat base sees the US military as evil occupiers and wants us pulled out of everywhere except when the Euros need some muscle to beat up someone the international media doesn't like (Assad, Gaddafi, Milosevic).
So there is a big difference in causation. For Biden, he was simply satisfying his activist voting base, whose motives had absolutely nothing to do with the success of the operation. For Gorbachev, he wanted to get the USSR out from under its diplomatic pariah status as well as stop the bleeding from a war that wasn't going well for Russia and was going to be a big drag in casualties and money for the foreseeable future.
Also nice job ignoring that your government fell in minus 3 weeks, while theirs lasted 3 years.
The US has always been cursed with craven "allies". The South Vietnamese were shitty people and utter incompetents. The US demanded its allies follow globohomo and offered fat sums of money to comply. This results in the cultivation of greedy cowards who arrive only to suckle and leech. That's the down side of being free market capitalist instead of ideological communist. Communism does an outstanding job of tricking fools into fighting and dying for lost causes. Capitalism teaches people to give up and run away to selfishly save their own skins the moment sentiment shifts.
Also, you're being disingenuous. As you full well know, the Soviets continued to support and prop up their proxy after they left. The whole reason the Afghani coward government collapsed and the Afghani army refused to fight, was that Biden had pulled all support as part of his "get us the fuck out no matter what" policy even after having made the Afghanis dependent on that support. So the Afghanis got rug pulled and lost all their contractor support. Air cover and recon and intel and logistics were all pulled out from under them, and they were like "fuck this, I'm not going to fight so women can vote". About 10k Afghani commandos were actually willing to fight, and had successfully held the Taliban on their own for a few years already, yet they required a long support tail. When we rug pulled them, I believe one of their units got stuck and fucked over. After that, they basically said "fuck this" and went home.
Oh, and that's another failure of western liberalism: the arrogant hubris that liberal politics is The Correct Answer and that all societies must inexorably obsess over the "rights" of women -> faggots -> trannies in that order, so when they run into a people who are like "lol no gtfo with that shit", they don't understand what is going on. Libtards can't even conceive that a society could exist based on anything other than globohomo, and any dissenters are just seen as evil/ignorant, much like how you see Biden talking about "MAGA Republicans" even now.
I've already told you that the true cause for the US inability to end the Taliban was pure globohomo. If the US had merely told the Afghanis, "you can have a Constitution based on sharia law and you don't have to given women rights if you don't want to" the war would have been over in a few years and Afghanistan would be just another conservative muslim country like saudi arabia. The whole reason they kept fighting was to resist the imposition of globohomo.
lol, the Soviets lost a battle a year after they withdrew. Brilliant.
Even at its peak, while the USSR Russians were certainly far more capable than the Russians of today, they were still a second-tier force far less efficient and effective than western forces
With equal forces, yes. And yet they did a better job in Afghanistan than you did, and their regime lasted longer.
Unfortunately, dumbass Trump, [Trump's Afghan idiocy was one area he broke with Republicans and conservatives] with his massive hard-on for isolationism and being "historic" - imagining it was his "Nixon goes to China" moment - had already made moves to try to "make peace" with the Taliban
I actually agree with you here. I don't agree that it was 'won'. The Taliban didn't spring from one moment to the next as Athena from Zeus' head. It was lurking in the background waiting for you to leave.
For Gorbachev, he wanted to get the USSR out from under its diplomatic pariah status
Two years after the INF?
The US demanded its allies follow globohomo and offered fat sums of money to comply. This results in the cultivation of greedy cowards who arrive only to suckle and leech. That's the down side of being free market capitalist instead of ideological communist. Communism does an outstanding job of tricking fools into fighting and dying for lost causes. Capitalism teaches people to give up and run away to selfishly save their own skins the moment sentiment shifts.
This is a pretty impressive analysis.
As you full well know, the Soviets continued to support and prop up their proxy after they left.
Yeah, so what? Is it not impressive that a deeply unpopular government survived for three whole years? When your supposedly elected government fell even before you left.
Oh, and that's another failure of western liberalism: the arrogant hubris that liberal politics is The Correct Answer and that all societies must inexorably obsess over the "rights" of women -> faggots -> trannies in that order, so when they run into a people who are like "lol no gtfo with that shit", they don't understand what is going on. Libtards can't even conceive that a society could exist based on anything other than globohomo, and any dissenters are just seen as evil/ignorant, much like how you see Biden talking about "MAGA Republicans" even now.
You say all the right things. But then you back the Globohomo empire to the hilt when it's vs. Russia. What exactly has Putin done to you that has you so mad at him?
I've already told you that the true cause for the US inability to end the Taliban was pure globohomo. If the US had merely told the Afghanis, "you can have a Constitution based on sharia law and you don't have to given women rights if you don't want to" the war would have been over in a few years and Afghanistan would be just another conservative muslim country like saudi arabia. The whole reason they kept fighting was to resist the imposition of globohomo.
You mean when it withdrew in quite an orderly manner and the government it installed lasted for another 3 years, whereas your clown country hadn't even left when the government it had installed collapsed like a house of cards, you left your own subjects behind, your marines were blown up, and you avenged them by blowing up the kids of one of your allies?
This is not even taking into account that they stayed 10 years, you stayed 20 years. Their enemies had the support of a major world power , yours did not (Or do you also buy into wild CIA conspiracy theories about Russian bounties?)
Objectively, the Russians did a better job.
You're trolling.
The US sat on the Taliban for 20 years and was never defeated. We only left because Biden wanted to, not because we were losing. In fact, we were holding the Taliban down with only a handful of troops by 2020.
US total combat deaths in 20 years: 1,932
Soviet total deaths in under 10 years: about 15,000
Also it led to the fall of the Soviet Union since it discredited the USSR as a military power.
Now you are trolling. When was the USSR ever "defeated"?
The USSR left because Gorbachev wanted to.
Either you are ignorant, or you don't believe that.
Also nice job ignoring that your government fell in minus 3 weeks, while theirs lasted 3 years.
Who is “his government”?
The US govt.
You're going to make me fire up wikipedia now?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Khost
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Maravar_Pass
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Jaji
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Arghandab_(1987)
Even at its peak, while the USSR Russians were certainly far more capable than the Russians of today, they were still a second-tier force far less efficient and effective than western forces.
Yes, but Gorbachev didn't want to out of idiotic ideology like Biden, Gorbachev wanted out because Afghanistan was a massive drag on the USSR both in terms of sapping it militarily as well as politically. He was cutting losses. Biden, on the other hand, inherited a won war which was only in a very low level maintenance phase where only a small US force was good enough to support the Afghans to hold down the Taliban indefinitely.
Unfortunately, dumbass Trump, [Trump's Afghan idiocy was one area he broke with Republicans and conservatives] with his massive hard-on for isolationism and being "historic" - imagining it was his "Nixon goes to China" moment - had already made moves to try to "make peace" with the Taliban. This gave Biden the political cover he needed to simply pull out without any real peace, whining "Trump started it". He didn't do this because the Taliban was putting pressure in terms of casualties - no Americans had died in combat in YEARS - but rather because the Democrat base sees the US military as evil occupiers and wants us pulled out of everywhere except when the Euros need some muscle to beat up someone the international media doesn't like (Assad, Gaddafi, Milosevic).
So there is a big difference in causation. For Biden, he was simply satisfying his activist voting base, whose motives had absolutely nothing to do with the success of the operation. For Gorbachev, he wanted to get the USSR out from under its diplomatic pariah status as well as stop the bleeding from a war that wasn't going well for Russia and was going to be a big drag in casualties and money for the foreseeable future.
The US has always been cursed with craven "allies". The South Vietnamese were shitty people and utter incompetents. The US demanded its allies follow globohomo and offered fat sums of money to comply. This results in the cultivation of greedy cowards who arrive only to suckle and leech. That's the down side of being free market capitalist instead of ideological communist. Communism does an outstanding job of tricking fools into fighting and dying for lost causes. Capitalism teaches people to give up and run away to selfishly save their own skins the moment sentiment shifts.
Also, you're being disingenuous. As you full well know, the Soviets continued to support and prop up their proxy after they left. The whole reason the Afghani coward government collapsed and the Afghani army refused to fight, was that Biden had pulled all support as part of his "get us the fuck out no matter what" policy even after having made the Afghanis dependent on that support. So the Afghanis got rug pulled and lost all their contractor support. Air cover and recon and intel and logistics were all pulled out from under them, and they were like "fuck this, I'm not going to fight so women can vote". About 10k Afghani commandos were actually willing to fight, and had successfully held the Taliban on their own for a few years already, yet they required a long support tail. When we rug pulled them, I believe one of their units got stuck and fucked over. After that, they basically said "fuck this" and went home.
Oh, and that's another failure of western liberalism: the arrogant hubris that liberal politics is The Correct Answer and that all societies must inexorably obsess over the "rights" of women -> faggots -> trannies in that order, so when they run into a people who are like "lol no gtfo with that shit", they don't understand what is going on. Libtards can't even conceive that a society could exist based on anything other than globohomo, and any dissenters are just seen as evil/ignorant, much like how you see Biden talking about "MAGA Republicans" even now.
I've already told you that the true cause for the US inability to end the Taliban was pure globohomo. If the US had merely told the Afghanis, "you can have a Constitution based on sharia law and you don't have to given women rights if you don't want to" the war would have been over in a few years and Afghanistan would be just another conservative muslim country like saudi arabia. The whole reason they kept fighting was to resist the imposition of globohomo.
lol, the Soviets lost a battle a year after they withdrew. Brilliant.
With equal forces, yes. And yet they did a better job in Afghanistan than you did, and their regime lasted longer.
I actually agree with you here. I don't agree that it was 'won'. The Taliban didn't spring from one moment to the next as Athena from Zeus' head. It was lurking in the background waiting for you to leave.
Two years after the INF?
This is a pretty impressive analysis.
Yeah, so what? Is it not impressive that a deeply unpopular government survived for three whole years? When your supposedly elected government fell even before you left.
You say all the right things. But then you back the Globohomo empire to the hilt when it's vs. Russia. What exactly has Putin done to you that has you so mad at him?
That certainly is part of it.