They'll just make it illegal to price discriminate on having solar/batteries on your home and make normal people pay the price.
Just like they did with "net metering", which makes everybody without solar pay for the solar panels and the reason they're cost effective for individuals. If they got paid the wholesale electricity price of like 4 cents per unit instead of 20 cents nobody would do it unless it was a cabin or ranch somewhere with no grid power.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's the electronics that start these fires, not the cells themselves.
The bigger the battery the more current they're capable of. More current means more heat. Even small consumer electronics with big batteries (large power banks, car jump starters, portable power packs, etc) produce a lot of heat when they charge or discharge the batteries. These energy storage facilities must produce some ungodly amounts of heat.
With all this green stuff people underestimate how fragile power electronics are. They cause battery fires, solar panel fires and they turn your 50.000 hour LED into a 2.000 hour brick.
It's a very different use case, even if they are 'the same', which I don't know if they are.
You can easily afford 20 euros on the price of a cellphone to make the battery less efficient or have better quality. As for what they are doing here, it's so inefficient to begin with, that they probably have to push the limits and specifications to limit their losses.
They are the same, all lithium-ion. You can actually look up the exact kind of batteries being used here, I just edited the link into my comment. They are Tesla Megapack batteries. Maybe his obsession with birth rates is to counter all the people who will die in battery fires.
There's more than just the materials used. For one, batteries in phones are extremely small. These, I assume, are enormous. You don't think they are collecting old Apple batteries and connecting them to each other, do you now?
Maybe his obsession with birth rates is to counter all the people who will die in battery fires.
Projection. You mean your obsession. You bring it up all the fucking time. He tweeted about it once.
(Now you can further demonstrate your obsession by providing the catalog of links you've compiled of the times that he's talked about it, along with all of the other people who've ever talked about it.)
It's the right term, that's the output of the facility. From Wikipedia: "The system is capable of producing 182.5 MW for four hours, for a total of 730 MWh of capacity."
I agree, but the sentence is referring to the output of the facility. Is it no longer an energy storage system if you don’t mention the capacity? If I say I have a 5 kW battery, and I am referring to its power, is my sentence incorrect?
That's because anything PG&e touches goes up in flames. They are the paper bag full of dog shit of energy companies. What do you expect from California?
"In other news today, the wildfire burning through northern California has tragically burned to the ground. Firefighters reported that they were "distraught and confused on how such a thing could happen". Experts suggest that this may be the most damaging wildfire since Thursday."
I pity the fools who want to install batteries in their home for the climate cult.
They'll just make it illegal to price discriminate on having solar/batteries on your home and make normal people pay the price.
Just like they did with "net metering", which makes everybody without solar pay for the solar panels and the reason they're cost effective for individuals. If they got paid the wholesale electricity price of like 4 cents per unit instead of 20 cents nobody would do it unless it was a cabin or ranch somewhere with no grid power.
I still don't understand why these batteries are so much less safe in large quantities.
They're the same lithium-ion batteries you see in phones and power banks, and those don't go up in flames regularly.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's the electronics that start these fires, not the cells themselves.
The bigger the battery the more current they're capable of. More current means more heat. Even small consumer electronics with big batteries (large power banks, car jump starters, portable power packs, etc) produce a lot of heat when they charge or discharge the batteries. These energy storage facilities must produce some ungodly amounts of heat.
Edit: Here's an article from a similar fire in Australia: https://esv.vic.gov.au/news/cooling-system-leak-led-to-victorian-big-battery-fire/ tl;dr coolant leak caused short circuit
With all this green stuff people underestimate how fragile power electronics are. They cause battery fires, solar panel fires and they turn your 50.000 hour LED into a 2.000 hour brick.
cheap chinese horseshit
That's it. I'm stupid for not realizing that sooner. These batteries weigh 23 tons, there must be millions of cells in them.
It's a very different use case, even if they are 'the same', which I don't know if they are.
You can easily afford 20 euros on the price of a cellphone to make the battery less efficient or have better quality. As for what they are doing here, it's so inefficient to begin with, that they probably have to push the limits and specifications to limit their losses.
This is just speculation, of course.
They are the same, all lithium-ion. You can actually look up the exact kind of batteries being used here, I just edited the link into my comment. They are Tesla Megapack batteries. Maybe his obsession with birth rates is to counter all the people who will die in battery fires.
There's more than just the materials used. For one, batteries in phones are extremely small. These, I assume, are enormous. You don't think they are collecting old Apple batteries and connecting them to each other, do you now?
Yes, that must be it.
Yes, I realized that just now. The amount of cells is the reason.
Well, it makes more sense than any explanation involving benevolence.
Billionaires don't tend to be benevolent people.
But they can be right, as Musk is right about the catastrophic birth rate.
Projection. You mean your obsession. You bring it up all the fucking time. He tweeted about it once.
(Now you can further demonstrate your obsession by providing the catalog of links you've compiled of the times that he's talked about it, along with all of the other people who've ever talked about it.)
Lithium-ion batteries, so it will burn for a very long time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Megapack
At least one of those terms is wrong.
It's the right term, that's the output of the facility. From Wikipedia: "The system is capable of producing 182.5 MW for four hours, for a total of 730 MWh of capacity."
See, that makes a lot more sense if that is the output, not the storage. As I said, at least one of those terms was incorrect.
It says “energy storage” because that is the purpose of the facility. It’s not an “energy output” facility. The sentence they wrote is correct.
It is a storage facility, certainly, but it does not store megawatts. Megawatt-hours, sure, but that isn't the same thing.
I agree, but the sentence is referring to the output of the facility. Is it no longer an energy storage system if you don’t mention the capacity? If I say I have a 5 kW battery, and I am referring to its power, is my sentence incorrect?
That's because anything PG&e touches goes up in flames. They are the paper bag full of dog shit of energy companies. What do you expect from California?
And that's in California so it's 50/50 it'll ALSO lead to a massive wildfire too
It's directly beside Elkhorn Slough, and across the road from the ocean. Fires are for inlanders.
"In other news today, the wildfire burning through northern California has tragically burned to the ground. Firefighters reported that they were "distraught and confused on how such a thing could happen". Experts suggest that this may be the most damaging wildfire since Thursday."
Anyone looking to make some cash off this should look into Kulr or other Li-Ion safety companies.
this is not investment advice, don’t be a fag and try to sue me if it doesn’t work out because I’m just some dude on the internet