Seems to me like any Catholic who takes issue with the papacy is welcome to join any of the dozens of current Protestant denominations that already exist. It isn’t like the old days with state sponsored religion. People switch their allegiance all the time these days.
I do believe that Christian churches will polarize though. On one hand you will have churches that are really just churches of leftism wearing Christianity as a skin suit. You already see this with more “liberal” denominations like Episcopalians and Presbyterians. On the other hand you will have churches that return to the fundamental teachings of the faith and face a lot of flak for it.
The southern Baptist convention is actually pretty close to a schism right now because of a faction that wants to make the church more “modern” with all the leftist nonsense that comes with it.
You can edit that last paragraph. Intra-SBC communication is essentially back and forth flames now. Pastors are openly condemning Convention leadership, and threatening to keep tithes at the local level.
At least in the US there are two separate Presbyterian denominations that split over leftism entering the church. PCA/"Reformed" Presbyterians split off when the PCUSA started confining female/gay pastors or something similar. From the times I've visited PCA churches and the people I know who attend they absolutely don't follow leftist doctrine in PCA churches.
Catholic here, your first assessment is correct. The Pope is basically the president of the Church, he mediates and keeps order between all the other Bishops and writes a book every once in a while. In fact, Papal infallibility hasnt been invoked in about a century, which is the only situation in which he has to be taken seriously (Unless your a priest, because he's your boss).
Second assessment is incorrect, as the current Pope would likely burst into flames if he even tried to touch a Catholic Bible.
There is a schism forming, to answer your question. Very few Catholics are "looking askance at the Papacy", but rather its leader. This is not the first time the Church has suffered through an immoral Pope and it won't be the last.
Purging our ranks of the wicked must be done periodically, something that has been neglected in the past century. The key is how swiftly the will arises to actually do so.
The thing about Catholicism is that the laity isn't governed by whatever comes out of the Pope's mouth. A lot of Catholics are fooling themselves that someone can be a Catholic and a leftist at the same time. Of those who aren't in that category, most of us ignore the heretic Bergoglio.
just accept abortion, communism, medical tyranny, and all the trappings of the New World Order. It's what the human selected by humans, but because of that is closest to God wants.
Another Western Schism, perhaps. With 'the West' in this context stretching everywhere from Poland to the Americas to China, where Pope Francis has sold Chinese Catholics out to the CCP over the opposition of Cardinal Joseph Zen.
"I'm Catholic, but fuck the current Pope" actually has a name: sedevacantism. It's closely related to the concept of an antipope, which sounds scary and badass but essentially just refers to someone who isn't the Pope but is followed as if he was.
Hating shitty popes is a tradition as Catholic as any other. Catholics never reform or break away, they just stop listening to the asshole in the big hat for a while. Based on my personal experiences, more Catholics currently qualify as sedevacantists than not.
Seems to me like any Catholic who takes issue with the papacy is welcome to join any of the dozens of current Protestant denominations that already exist. It isn’t like the old days with state sponsored religion. People switch their allegiance all the time these days.
I do believe that Christian churches will polarize though. On one hand you will have churches that are really just churches of leftism wearing Christianity as a skin suit. You already see this with more “liberal” denominations like Episcopalians and Presbyterians. On the other hand you will have churches that return to the fundamental teachings of the faith and face a lot of flak for it.
The southern Baptist convention is actually pretty close to a schism right now because of a faction that wants to make the church more “modern” with all the leftist nonsense that comes with it.
You can edit that last paragraph. Intra-SBC communication is essentially back and forth flames now. Pastors are openly condemning Convention leadership, and threatening to keep tithes at the local level.
At least in the US there are two separate Presbyterian denominations that split over leftism entering the church. PCA/"Reformed" Presbyterians split off when the PCUSA started confining female/gay pastors or something similar. From the times I've visited PCA churches and the people I know who attend they absolutely don't follow leftist doctrine in PCA churches.
fair enough, but how many churches will carry catholic doctrine minus the Pope?
I dunno, maybe I'm full of shit here, lol.
I’m not catholic, but my understanding is that popes come and go and they will focus on their traditions rather than whatever comes out of his mouth.
I think the whole institution of a papacy is big dumb anyway. I can read the Bible myself. I don’t need some dude in a hat to tell me what it says.
To be fair, it's a very nice hat, lol.
Catholic here, your first assessment is correct. The Pope is basically the president of the Church, he mediates and keeps order between all the other Bishops and writes a book every once in a while. In fact, Papal infallibility hasnt been invoked in about a century, which is the only situation in which he has to be taken seriously (Unless your a priest, because he's your boss).
Second assessment is incorrect, as the current Pope would likely burst into flames if he even tried to touch a Catholic Bible.
There is a schism forming, to answer your question. Very few Catholics are "looking askance at the Papacy", but rather its leader. This is not the first time the Church has suffered through an immoral Pope and it won't be the last.
Purging our ranks of the wicked must be done periodically, something that has been neglected in the past century. The key is how swiftly the will arises to actually do so.
the 'whore' pope comes to mind...
Sorry, don't know a whole lot, honestly, but I've picked up a handful of things here and there, and occasionally, I can even line them up, lol.
The thing about Catholicism is that the laity isn't governed by whatever comes out of the Pope's mouth. A lot of Catholics are fooling themselves that someone can be a Catholic and a leftist at the same time. Of those who aren't in that category, most of us ignore the heretic Bergoglio.
Ah.
Yep. The important thing is that doctrine hasn't changed.
For the record, I got no problem with catholics, though priest jokes are almost too good to pass up sometimes...
just accept abortion, communism, medical tyranny, and all the trappings of the New World Order. It's what the human selected by humans, but because of that is closest to God wants.
Another Western Schism, perhaps. With 'the West' in this context stretching everywhere from Poland to the Americas to China, where Pope Francis has sold Chinese Catholics out to the CCP over the opposition of Cardinal Joseph Zen.
Glad there's people who know what I'm talking about, because it clearly aint me, lol.
"I'm Catholic, but fuck the current Pope" actually has a name: sedevacantism. It's closely related to the concept of an antipope, which sounds scary and badass but essentially just refers to someone who isn't the Pope but is followed as if he was.
Hating shitty popes is a tradition as Catholic as any other. Catholics never reform or break away, they just stop listening to the asshole in the big hat for a while. Based on my personal experiences, more Catholics currently qualify as sedevacantists than not.
Sedevacantists believe a specific pope was the last legitimate one, not sure which one because I'm not a Sedevacantist.
That has to be aggrivating...knowing the guy who's supposed to be the voice of god is a massive tool...
A crusade of purification is my bet.
Well, the Sarasens are after the holy land again...
Either Francis will die and we will get a Pope who is actually Catholic or God will light everything on fire as man's sins become too great to ignore.
Poking fun, but no surprise I'd get at least one fire and brimstone response =P
Dude, I'm not a catholic, I'm a wannabe philosopher like everybody else on the interwubs, lmao.