I was at my local used book store the other day and picked up some Indiana Jones books from the 80s/90s along with some other stuff. It had me thinking about the upcoming Indiana Jones movie which I have no doubt will be a bait and switch or Indy dying and a woman taking over (I wouldn't even put it past Disney to have Indy give a speech about how she is much better than he is before dying).
I also know that Netflix is doing a Conan the Barbarian show, and I am pretty sure it will be Conan surrounded by much more capable women or his female sidekick will be the real star.
What would you consider to be the most egregious example of a bait and switch? Also, bait and switch tactics pretty much show that they know full well what the mass audience wants to see, but they are so arrogant and insist on cramming in their message. One of the best examples of this was late 2016 there was a miniseries about the history of the lgbt movement that bombed in the ratings. How was it explained? Maybe that the majority of people aren't interested in content that focuses heavily on lgbt? Nope, it was blamed on Trump, homophobia, and the usual suspects.
The Witcher would fall in to this category. WOT would be another on. He-man was top bait and switch.
I think Shang-chi as well, he is kind of pathetic in face of better women despite being the main character. I can't feel sorry since the actor was an ass.
Not sure about Picard, I assume they did a bait and switch but I only got half way thru the first episode.
Copying a post I made on the Witcher sub on Reddit a while ago. Formatting might be fucked so apologies if so.
Issues include the newer material flat out contradicting previous content such as the 'Countdown to Star Trek' prequel comic for the 2009 reboot movie [all three of which were written by Kurztman] since the comic in question has Data very much alive and resurrected inside the body of B4 as was heavily hinted at happening towards the very end of Star Trek Nemesis. Data even has a conversation with OG Spock in the comic about their similar resurrections. Whereas in Picard there is no Data because he's now somehow dead again.
There's also the dialogue between Picard and Riker when recounting the events of the "surprise daughter" plotline [sound familiar?] and when Picard voices his thoughts on this Riker chastises him for treating her like one of his officers rather than an actual child because [paraphrasing] "Picard doesn't know what it's like to be a parent since he never had children". Which is;
False.
Something Patrick Stewart of all people knows.
Something anyone bothering to check TNG lore should also know.
Why? Because by Patrick Stewart's own admission the episode 'The Inner Light', which has Picard experience the memories of a now long dead alien, [including the family said alien raised meaning he has that experience of having and raising children], is his favourite episode of the show.
"BE: (Stands up) Well, I didn’t want to bore you with the “Star Trek” questions you’ve probably heard a thousand times, but I did want to at least tell you that “The Inner Light” is my favorite episode."
"PS: Mine, too!"
"BE: Well, there you go."
"PS: It was a spec script, you know. That’s something that not many people know: it was a spec script. One of the tiny few that actually got made. And, of course, my son was in it, and it was the first time I’d ever worked professionally with my son, so that’s another reason why it’s special to me. There are other stories about that episode, but… (Grins conspiratorially) …I’ll have to save them for my biography, as I’ll probably be sued when they come out."
FYI His son plays the son of the character whose memories he experiences, so his own son is playing his son.
Plot to Picard:
Plot to Mass effect
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yea I intend to read the Witcher books. Cavill himself kind of warned people. And once I saw who the showrunner was I figured it would turn out that way. Plus it’s Netflix
The problem with the Witcher books is that the writing style is different then you would expect. I only read the first one, the characters and story are great but the style put me off. If you read them let me know what you think and maybe I'll give them another try. I did like the story from the games.
The reason I think it was bait and switch is that the woman behind it said she will not let her politics influence the movie, she being a feminist SJW type. Obviously that was not true.
Will do. I read the wheel of time books in 2020 to early 2021 so I’m thinking of buying all the Witcher books around my bday in September. Will let you know.
WoT was never, ever going to work. 14 books cannot be condensed into 3 years of real time as would be the case with a live-action medium. Even the adult actors in GoT visibly changed over the 7/8 years that took to say nothing of the child actors like the one for Bran who while in a wheelchair from s2 onwards sprang up like a fucking beanstalk just like Cirroc Lofton [Jake Sisko] did in DS9.
I haven’t read any of them but isn’t the first like a collection of short stories or did you read the first like novel-novel?
It follows Geralt in different times, it jumps from one story to another. The stories kind of stand on their own but are connected and towards the end it gives a better picture of the entire story.
Which was a major problem with the first season because it wasn't clear in the slightest this was happening. They were jumping decades, sometimes from one scene to the next where it went from a character as a child to adult, but the showrunners were so bad at making this clear that most of the audience had no fucking clue it was a thing. Even book readers couldn't tell it was happening and they knew it was a series of short stories across years.
If I recall, the first book is just short stories, though I believe a couple tie into the plot of the books after that point. Good series, but I never got around to reading the book that came out recently as a sort of prequal.
The Force Awakens: baited as a sequel, then switched for a shitty reboot.
I still feel ashamed I thought Disney would adapt the expanded universe stories. I thought Rey was Jaina Solo when I first saw the photo
Pretty much everything from the last 5 years?
Batman will be the fist big US super hero going Black. After him, the next is Superman. By 2030 almost no mainstream entertainment will be White.
I see that trend. I get old comic books now.
All the re-whatever are shit and their destiny i to be forgotten like the Jaws & Star Wars knockoffs in the 70's.
Track down Felix Salten's original, unabridged Bambi and see how different that is from the movie. It's far from a sweet, charming story about a baby deer; it's more about musings about death.
Wow. I didn’t know that! I’ll look it up. I have the original Grimm’s Fairy tales and love them so I’ll probably love that.
Yeah, it's a really good read, one of my favourites as a kid (and I always kind of wanted to redo the movie to be more faithful to the book, but it'd be at least PG rated for sure. My edition was ... old, 1920s. If you thought Watership Down was dark, you're in for a ride. Or rather, Plague Dogs.
But nowhere near as fucked-up dark as Doctor Rat.
I’ll check those out as well. I go to yard sales during spring and summer months and one time an elderly lady gave me free stuff because I moved some furniture for her. She had some stories for children from the 1920s and one of them was Arabian Nights. Pretty violent stuff for kids. I loved it.
The Wheel of Time is one of the best examples. The cringe factor was through the roof when the first three scenes were all about how powerful women are. (Curiously after decades of this I still have to open jars for women and explain fairly basic mechanics)
I really thought your opening about Indiana Jones was going to be about him switching out the artifact with a bag of sand as an example of bait and switch!
I wish I had thought of that
Whatever. None of this matters. Stop watching.
I know. Just hard to break away completely. I do read a lot more than I used to
I learned about Heinlein after that movie. He is now one of my favorite authors. I would love a faithful adaptation.
You seen Edge of Tomorrow?
Have you seen the third film? It's utter cheese and worse than the first but Rico is in it again this time piloting Marauder mecha.