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posted 4 years ago by TheImpossible1 4 years ago by TheImpossible1 +20 / -0
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– Kaarous 24 points 4 years ago +24 / -0

Why would anyone, ever, under any circumstances, take one of these so called vaccines. Each and every one of them was developed in about 5% of the time that any normal, genuine inoculation would be made in. Their test data was without exception, faked or invalidated by vaccinating the control groups. Zero legitimate long term studies were done on side effects.

I would rather be injected with a few ounces of lead in my skull, than take one of these. And I will kill a pile of liberals, before I ever allow this vile poison near my children.

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– ArtemisFoul 17 points 4 years ago +17 / -0

I don't give a fuck, I'm not taking shots against a disease that started out as dangerous as the flu and which is now as dangerous as a cold.

I went to a pub with some friends last Thursday; yesterday (Monday), one of them messaged us saying he was positive for Omicron. None of the rest of us have any symptoms at all. I was promised a deadly plague and all I got was 2 years of useless measures and less personal freedom than during fucking communism. Fuck all of this.

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– tylerthet3 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Zero COVID is the bane of life.

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– tylerthet3 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

There has never been a successful coronavirus vaccine ever in history.

The spike protein is inherently pathogenic in every vaccine on market. They are all dangerous.

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– deleted 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0
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– tylerthet3 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

The mRNA injection also has the lipid nanoparticle that travels throughout the body. This is also a dangerous substance. This ingredient is likely why we have been seeing so many myocarditis cases.

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– RaisingPhoenix 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

I'm more inclined to believe that the danger from the nanoparticle had to do with it delivering the mrna to places it does not belong, such as the heart and brain, rather than the mrna itself

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– Skywise 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

It took months for the first reports to come out about myocarditis from the J&J shot and several more for the mRNA variants. It'll take time to determine if it's safe or has other issues. Also there's fewer people taking it so that increases the time for side effects to show up.

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– vicious_snek5 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

I was waiting for it for months, and would have taken it in august, if it had actually come out on schedule.

We don't have the stats but it is in theory safer. That's not to say safe. It's safer.

The mRNA (and viral vector, which is just mRNA with extra steps in this case) involve genetic material hijacking your cells and making them make the spike protein. They then make them, display them, and eject them into the bloodstream.

I initially thought it was the displaying that might be the issue, you're teaching the immune system there to attack these cells, like muscle cells (cough cough heart) and nerve cells, hence the auto-immune Guillain-Barré stuff. The whole hijacking of your own cells to do it was what I was wary of.

Back in the day we had 3 broad types of vaccine. Live attenuated/live inactivated, in which whole viruses or bacteria are injected in, but they've been killed or weakened. Polio is a good example of these kinds, the west gets the wholly inactivated one while the third world uses the cheaper and easier to store one that's merely weakened and carrys a risk of becoming full blown polio. I've seen a lot of 'confusion' over this one, people saying the viral vector style is this old-school live-attenuated style. It very much is not. Shut that shit down where-ever you see it.

Then there's toxoid. The issue with tetanus isn't so much that our body can't learn to fight it, it's the toxin it produces. So the tetanus vaccine is actually a form of that toxin, teaching our bodies to effectively neutralise that, so that the fight against the bacteria can be had before it becomes too much of an issue.

Then there is subunit (under various names and forms). Basically its a fragment of the virus or bacteria that is injected, and your body learns to fight that fragment, so that when a virus covered in that fragment comes along, it gets fought quicker and easier. Hep B and shingles are an example of this

Now all of these old ones will have other things in them too, an adjuvant, a chemical you're immune system really doesn't like, something that's basically a mild allergenic and gets your immune systems attention so it will come and fight the thing you actually want it to, the subunit, or the toxin...

Novavax is a subunit vaccine, it's just the spikes (harvested from moths IIRC) and the adjuvant, rather than genetic code to hijack your cells to make and display it. But with subsequent reading, and the concerns over antigenic original sin and ADE developments, and the utter lack of any protection after 1m, I'm still refusing this one. I'm thankful novavax suffered continual delays, because it means I learnt more, and learnt to be more wary of it. Only if the aus government locks me up and forces me at gunpoint to take one, I'd opt for novavax. It's the least bad of the bunch at least in theory sure. But that doesn't mean it's good.

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– vicious_snek5 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

Only if

When*

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– BrainJuice 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

From what I understand, Novavax is more like traditional vaccines, so it likely doesn't have the same issues as the others

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– Homopratensis2 1 point 4 years ago +1 / -0

Isn't novavax a bill gates project?

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– almond_activator 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

It's a Russian company. I have no idea whether they're associated with Gates or not.

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