Live Now: Supreme Court Oral Arguments Over OSHA Vax Mandate
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It would be nice if the conservatives on the court were actually conservatives. As it stands we all know Chief Justice Cuckold and his merry band of communists will rubber stamp the mandate no matter what, so we need unanimity from the rest to strike it down.
Sean Marotta is a lawyer who is pro-mandate and works as outside counsel for the American Hospital Association.
He did a extensive play by play commentary of the oral arguments and he actually expects the court to issue a stay for the OSHA mandate as a majority of the judges seem to find the OSHA mandate to be overbroad and focuses on every industry instead of focusing on only "high risk" industries which Justice Roberts gave an example of meatpacking factory workers working side by side or the example of health care workers.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1479465947874398212.html
Apparently even Roberts thinks Congress needs to give authorization explicitly and that OSHA cannot unilaterally force this upon the country with no action from Congress.
We won't obviously know if this interpretation of the oral arguments is right until the decision comes out but looking at this analysis, we might have a chance to get a ruling staying the OSHA mandate in its current form.
The bad news is that healthcare workers and factory workers working side by side might still be fucked though since it seems that Roberts, Kavanaugh and Barrett would be okay with a more specific OSHA rule focusing solely on "high risk" industries.
Perhaps. I missed it. The government has an incredibly weak case here though. And there's tremendous pushback in amicus briefs, some of which are well authored and attack the mandate from all kinds of angles, and the court will have to process those arguments too.
Oh. My. God. She and Sotomayor couldn't be more ignorant.
They're both frauds. Kagan is just Obama's pet lesbian, and the other one should have been deported decades ago.
I'm catching up to Kagan's "questions" at the start of the hearing... Good lord... She's just lecturing, and every statement she's making is wrong.
Welp we know Breyer's vote. That's three in the can for upholding the mandates, but I guess they weren't a surprise.
Imagine all the crazy yelling between them in Spanish if Trump had picked Barbara Lagoa for the seat. I like to imagine she would have been arguing the other side.
But no, he had to choose that other Catholic woman who will probably go with the government to protect the childrens.
I'd still hate fuck her
We knew before she opened her whore mouth.
Then you want to kill the wrong person
They post them online, so you can listen later if you're really curious. I forget exactly where they post them, but I did a paper in undergrad that involved listening to oral arguments of a SCOTUS case.
This smells like theatre. The absolute terror the chief justices must feel right now. They have to put on a good show.
I couldn't care less what the Supreme Court rules. My body my choice. I am past caring.
Serious question, preferably seeking serious replies: what do we, here, think will happen if they fail to overturn it..?
I honestly don’t have much hope for the cowards on this court to do the right thing, here…
Nor do I hold much hope that things actually explode (metaphorically, of course), if that DOES end up being the ruling…
So… Thoughts?
We fall back on our federalist system of governance, whereby states either do or do not assert their own workplace rules for mandatory vaccinations. My state passed laws on this months ago, which unfortunately has not effected federal employees, but has protected other private workers. Other states have done the same.
We are too big and too diverse a country at this point to even dream of applying single rules to every single citizen across every single state, as delegated from the federal government. This is where state governments shine and differentiate themselves, and increasingly we will divorce ourselves from federal authority. They have the illusion of power, which is not the same as actually possessing it. We saw this effect play out when Trump tried to penalize sanctuary cities, and the cities just said fuck off.
I don't expect anyone will do anything.