The fact that there are now vastly greater infections and proportionally fewer hospitalizations and deaths, despite the more dangerous delta variant being dominant.
Oh no, not the delta variant! Why do you believe these machiavellians that lie about everything aren't lying about this particular thing, which greatly benefits their accumulation of power?
Spez: By claiming that there are greater rates of infections despite the amount of people jabbed, are you conceding that it isn't a vaccine, since vaccines by definition prevent transmission?
The question is not whether everyone should be in fear of death of it. Only that it's more contagious and dangerous than the other variant. If I were really scared of it, I'd have gotten the vaccine. But since I'm young and healthy...
Why do you believe these machiavellians that lie about everything aren't lying about this particular thing, which greatly benefits their accumulation of power?
It's pretty easy to disprove, and I have seen not seen it disproven. I have seen it in the data though. Now, could it be that the data is fabricated? Possibly, but for all countries in the world to do that is a bit too much.
By claiming that there are greater rates of infections despite the amount of people jabbed, are you conceding that it isn't a vaccine, since vaccines by definition prevent transmission?
It is my understanding that all vaccines are 'leaky' to some extent. But you are correct. There is no vaccine against the delta variant, but fortunately, the vaccine against the original variant appears to help against severe illness to a great extent.
One the big reasons for that reduction in hospitalizations and deaths is that we're treating it differently than we were in 2020. The only people we admit now are on their deathbed with multiple comorbidities. Before, everybody who showed up with any symptoms of anything got intubated and pumped full of enough remdesivir to put a bison into kidney failure. That's not even accounting for increased rates of natural immunity and fewer "at risk" individuals in the population.
The only objective, identifiable things that the vaccine has changed is the definition of everything surrounding it.
Even if the corporate propaganda is accurate, and the vaccine is responsible for the statistical "reduction in severity," I would question if it was worth the cost. We're looking at global apartied, left wing fascism, multiple nations on the verge of civil war; even the US government is tacitly advocating for vaxxed on unvaxxed violence.
2021 surpassed 2020's count in November. There is no correlation between lives lost and vaccination rate. Well, no, that's not true. There is a strong, provable positive correlation. And that's after the virus had already killed all the extremely sick and elderly in 2020, which means it's killing healthy people at a far greater rate now that we have vaccines.
The only possible explanations are that the vaccine doesn't work or the official numbers are egregious lies (or both). Which is it?
There is no correlation between lives lost and vaccination rate.
There's a correlation between infections and deaths, which has become weaker as vaccination rates have gone up.
And that's after the virus had already killed all the extremely sick and elderly in 2020, which means it's killing healthy people at a far greater rate now that we have vaccines.
I'm not seeing young and healthy people dying in the stats.
There's a correlation between infections and deaths
Not that you're going to listen since you're a vax pushing leftist shill, but everyone on this board watched for thirteen months while they inflated "deaths" to include such things as highway traffic accidents.
So no, there is no correlations between the two. Stop pretending like the "official" numbers are either accurate or honest.
Last month, I think it was the Italians or Greeks or some people, released revised covid mortality data from 2020. Iirc they were initially claiming 2-300,000 covid deaths, the revised number was just north of 3000.
Great. Link to us the peer reviewed placebo studies, the peer reviewed control group studies, and the longitudinal studies proving they have SOME effect against the virus.
Otherwise you're just regurgitating CNN falsehoods based on lies and disinformation.
So you believe that they have 0 effect against the virus, except for the side-effects? That's pretty funny.
Any pandemic was over by the time the jabs were out. What evidence is there the jabs have any effect against the virus?
The fact that there are now vastly greater infections and proportionally fewer hospitalizations and deaths, despite the more dangerous delta variant being dominant.
Oh no, not the delta variant! Why do you believe these machiavellians that lie about everything aren't lying about this particular thing, which greatly benefits their accumulation of power?
Spez: By claiming that there are greater rates of infections despite the amount of people jabbed, are you conceding that it isn't a vaccine, since vaccines by definition prevent transmission?
The question is not whether everyone should be in fear of death of it. Only that it's more contagious and dangerous than the other variant. If I were really scared of it, I'd have gotten the vaccine. But since I'm young and healthy...
It's pretty easy to disprove, and I have seen not seen it disproven. I have seen it in the data though. Now, could it be that the data is fabricated? Possibly, but for all countries in the world to do that is a bit too much.
It is my understanding that all vaccines are 'leaky' to some extent. But you are correct. There is no vaccine against the delta variant, but fortunately, the vaccine against the original variant appears to help against severe illness to a great extent.
Delta is more infectious than Alpha and ancestral variants, but not any more dangerous to those infected.
One the big reasons for that reduction in hospitalizations and deaths is that we're treating it differently than we were in 2020. The only people we admit now are on their deathbed with multiple comorbidities. Before, everybody who showed up with any symptoms of anything got intubated and pumped full of enough remdesivir to put a bison into kidney failure. That's not even accounting for increased rates of natural immunity and fewer "at risk" individuals in the population.
The only objective, identifiable things that the vaccine has changed is the definition of everything surrounding it.
Even if the corporate propaganda is accurate, and the vaccine is responsible for the statistical "reduction in severity," I would question if it was worth the cost. We're looking at global apartied, left wing fascism, multiple nations on the verge of civil war; even the US government is tacitly advocating for vaxxed on unvaxxed violence.
That's the normal pattern for all diseases, vaccine or not.
It's rainmaking.
2021 surpassed 2020's count in November. There is no correlation between lives lost and vaccination rate. Well, no, that's not true. There is a strong, provable positive correlation. And that's after the virus had already killed all the extremely sick and elderly in 2020, which means it's killing healthy people at a far greater rate now that we have vaccines.
The only possible explanations are that the vaccine doesn't work or the official numbers are egregious lies (or both). Which is it?
There's a correlation between infections and deaths, which has become weaker as vaccination rates have gone up.
I'm not seeing young and healthy people dying in the stats.
Not that you're going to listen since you're a vax pushing leftist shill, but everyone on this board watched for thirteen months while they inflated "deaths" to include such things as highway traffic accidents.
So no, there is no correlations between the two. Stop pretending like the "official" numbers are either accurate or honest.
Last month, I think it was the Italians or Greeks or some people, released revised covid mortality data from 2020. Iirc they were initially claiming 2-300,000 covid deaths, the revised number was just north of 3000.
Go be a mudblood somewhere else.
What's a mudblood?
Well if pureblood means someone who hasn't been injected...
Then I am a pureblood... unless non-Coronavirus vaccines also count.
Great. Link to us the peer reviewed placebo studies, the peer reviewed control group studies, and the longitudinal studies proving they have SOME effect against the virus.
Otherwise you're just regurgitating CNN falsehoods based on lies and disinformation.