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'You’re playing right into their hands' when you doubt the vaccine, President Donald Trump says. (Video) (twitter.com)
posted 3 years ago by Fuckthedems 3 years ago by Fuckthedems +27 / -7
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– TentElephant 27 points 3 years ago +28 / -1

Any pandemic was over by the time the jabs were out. What evidence is there the jabs have any effect against the virus?

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– AntonioOfVenice -17 points 3 years ago +4 / -21

The fact that there are now vastly greater infections and proportionally fewer hospitalizations and deaths, despite the more dangerous delta variant being dominant.

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– TentElephant 28 points 3 years ago +29 / -1

the more dangerous delta variant being dominant

Oh no, not the delta variant! Why do you believe these machiavellians that lie about everything aren't lying about this particular thing, which greatly benefits their accumulation of power?

Spez: By claiming that there are greater rates of infections despite the amount of people jabbed, are you conceding that it isn't a vaccine, since vaccines by definition prevent transmission?

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– AntonioOfVenice -15 points 3 years ago +3 / -18

Oh no, not the delta variant!

The question is not whether everyone should be in fear of death of it. Only that it's more contagious and dangerous than the other variant. If I were really scared of it, I'd have gotten the vaccine. But since I'm young and healthy...

Why do you believe these machiavellians that lie about everything aren't lying about this particular thing, which greatly benefits their accumulation of power?

It's pretty easy to disprove, and I have seen not seen it disproven. I have seen it in the data though. Now, could it be that the data is fabricated? Possibly, but for all countries in the world to do that is a bit too much.

By claiming that there are greater rates of infections despite the amount of people jabbed, are you conceding that it isn't a vaccine, since vaccines by definition prevent transmission?

It is my understanding that all vaccines are 'leaky' to some extent. But you are correct. There is no vaccine against the delta variant, but fortunately, the vaccine against the original variant appears to help against severe illness to a great extent.

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– TentElephant 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

It's pretty easy to disprove, and I have seen not seen it disproven. I have seen it in the data though. Now, could it be that the data is fabricated? Possibly, but for all countries in the world to do that is a bit too much.

There are a lot assumptions in there such as that the tests are accurate, but the most common tests such as PCR are entirely worthless. It's laughable to trust any of the data at this point as well. Every country has political motivations to skew data, especially as most countries are ruled by NGOs such as the WHO. Why are you adopting the regime's null hypothesises?

It is my understanding that all vaccines are 'leaky' to some extent. But you are correct. There is no vaccine against the delta variant, but fortunately, the vaccine against the original variant appears to help against severe illness to a great extent.

The leakiness of a proper vaccine is negligible and will stop the spread. Herd immunity applies equally to a real vaccine and natural immunity. Again, the most commonly used tests don't differentiate between strains. Here again you've adopted the regime's null hypothesis.

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– AgnosticTemplar 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Only that it's more contagious and dangerous than the other variant.

Contagious, yes, dangerous, lol no. And, following the natural progression of viral evolution, omicron is yet more contagious and even less deadly. By the time we get to omega, covid will literally be a common cold variant.

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– the_nybbler 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

Delta is more infectious than Alpha and ancestral variants, but not any more dangerous to those infected.

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– NigaroFagetsu-kun 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

One the big reasons for that reduction in hospitalizations and deaths is that we're treating it differently than we were in 2020. The only people we admit now are on their deathbed with multiple comorbidities. Before, everybody who showed up with any symptoms of anything got intubated and pumped full of enough remdesivir to put a bison into kidney failure. That's not even accounting for increased rates of natural immunity and fewer "at risk" individuals in the population.

The only objective, identifiable things that the vaccine has changed is the definition of everything surrounding it.

Even if the corporate propaganda is accurate, and the vaccine is responsible for the statistical "reduction in severity," I would question if it was worth the cost. We're looking at global apartied, left wing fascism, multiple nations on the verge of civil war; even the US government is tacitly advocating for vaxxed on unvaxxed violence.

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– Guy_Incognito76 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

That's the normal pattern for all diseases, vaccine or not.

It's rainmaking.

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