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'You’re playing right into their hands' when you doubt the vaccine, President Donald Trump says. (Video) (twitter.com)
posted 3 years ago by Fuckthedems 3 years ago by Fuckthedems +27 / -7
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– AntonioOfVenice -15 points 3 years ago +3 / -18

Oh no, not the delta variant!

The question is not whether everyone should be in fear of death of it. Only that it's more contagious and dangerous than the other variant. If I were really scared of it, I'd have gotten the vaccine. But since I'm young and healthy...

Why do you believe these machiavellians that lie about everything aren't lying about this particular thing, which greatly benefits their accumulation of power?

It's pretty easy to disprove, and I have seen not seen it disproven. I have seen it in the data though. Now, could it be that the data is fabricated? Possibly, but for all countries in the world to do that is a bit too much.

By claiming that there are greater rates of infections despite the amount of people jabbed, are you conceding that it isn't a vaccine, since vaccines by definition prevent transmission?

It is my understanding that all vaccines are 'leaky' to some extent. But you are correct. There is no vaccine against the delta variant, but fortunately, the vaccine against the original variant appears to help against severe illness to a great extent.

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– TentElephant 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

It's pretty easy to disprove, and I have seen not seen it disproven. I have seen it in the data though. Now, could it be that the data is fabricated? Possibly, but for all countries in the world to do that is a bit too much.

There are a lot assumptions in there such as that the tests are accurate, but the most common tests such as PCR are entirely worthless. It's laughable to trust any of the data at this point as well. Every country has political motivations to skew data, especially as most countries are ruled by NGOs such as the WHO. Why are you adopting the regime's null hypothesises?

It is my understanding that all vaccines are 'leaky' to some extent. But you are correct. There is no vaccine against the delta variant, but fortunately, the vaccine against the original variant appears to help against severe illness to a great extent.

The leakiness of a proper vaccine is negligible and will stop the spread. Herd immunity applies equally to a real vaccine and natural immunity. Again, the most commonly used tests don't differentiate between strains. Here again you've adopted the regime's null hypothesis.

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– AntonioOfVenice -1 points 3 years ago +2 / -3

There are a lot assumptions in there such as that the tests are accurate, but the most common tests such as PCR are entirely worthless.

Are they?

The leakiness of a proper vaccine is negligible and will stop the spread.

How leaky is a vaccine vs. the variant it was actually developed for? Not very, right?

Herd immunity applies equally to a real vaccine and natural immunity.

But people with natural immunity can get infected as well. Not clear if it's way better or somewhat worse than the vaccine. So by your standard, if you analogize the two, you're accepting it as a real vaccine.

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– TentElephant 6 points 3 years ago +6 / -0

Are they?

Yes

But people with natural immunity can get infected as well. Not clear if it's way better or somewhat worse than the vaccine. So by your standard, if you analogize the two, you're accepting it as a real vaccine.

I can't find it now, because it's inconvenient to the powers that be, but the CDC admitted in response to a FOIA that they haven't been able to confirm a single case of reinfection. That's a myth like the asymptomatic spread, which started from a Chinese lady in Europe that was pharmacologically suppressing her symptoms.

You're desperately clinging to the regime's null hypothesises for some weird reason. Sovereign is he who sets the null hypothesis.

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– AntonioOfVenice -2 points 3 years ago +1 / -3

Yes

I doubt it.

I can't find it now, because it's inconvenient to the powers that be, but the CDC admitted in response to a FOIA that they haven't been able to confirm a single case of reinfection.

I believe there have been many cases of re-infection with Omicron, but I can't vouch for it.

You're desperately clinging to the regime's null hypothesises for some weird reason. Sovereign is he who sets the null hypothesis.

That is no doubt true, but not everything is a conspiracy. It's perfectly possible to acknowledge that the vaccines can be good for some, while supporting people's freedom to refuse them.

Furthermore, regardless of the truth of it, if you start saying this sort of thing to people, the odds of persuading them to a more reasonable position is zero. But I have persuaded many to oppose vaccine mandates and passports and crap like that with my more reasonable position.

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– AgnosticTemplar 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Only that it's more contagious and dangerous than the other variant.

Contagious, yes, dangerous, lol no. And, following the natural progression of viral evolution, omicron is yet more contagious and even less deadly. By the time we get to omega, covid will literally be a common cold variant.

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