IIRC the original post was just about research of anyone with "pedophile-like" urges and didn't specify the age or that there had to be a crime involved. Judging by the other comments it looks like u/MK-13 was specifically talking about someone who actually abused minors.
I think we all agree that pedophiles need to at least be isolated and kept away from children. If you have to cull them then so be it, but castration should be enough. Not "chemical castration"... what is even the point of that? Real castration has been used forever and is perfectly humane. Or turn them into eunuchs.
Maturity is related to society. In a society where responsibility comes early, and is supported by society, the age where adulthood is reached may be different.
For example, the legal drinking age is 18 in Canada, but 21 in the US. But in some states you can get learning driving licenses at 14, whereas you have to be 16 in Canada. So I think that's kinda arbitrary, and also both alternative measures of "age or responsibility."
Biologically, 16 years old is usually old enough. I say this as a woman. Is 18 years old old enough emotionally? For some, no. I definitely had a lot more maturing to do between 18 and 22. But I believe this is related to societial pressures and personal experiences.
Someone who assumed someone was 18 when they were 16 is not the same as someone who is interested in prepubescent girls.
I personally am comfortable with 18 as the cutoff age. However, I think there should be increased punishment (minimum time) for grooming, prepubescent molestation, and repeat offenders. I think 6 months imprisonment (refer to my comment above) is a fine sentence for mistaking a 16 year old for an 18 year old. But repeat offenders, young victims, and grooming should require much more time.
I have no problem with your argument if you don't have double standards like MK-13. According to you, is there a problem with lets say, a 12 year old fucking a 13 year old?
Response: Lol go live in your bubble retard. The scientific term for "pedophilia" is being interested in prepubescent children, and I have a problem with that. I said if the person they're interested in was 14 for example (which is legal in some places in the west), then they aren't pedo's. The scientific term in "hebephilia".
Someone that abuse or rapes a minor... the 18 is pretty safe key, that's why is there... the main reason is because in average, most teenagers end up that stage of their life at that age.
So it makes perfect sense to protect children, pre-adolescents, adolescents/teenagers until that age. (not everybody is the same, but is a really good safe key)
But hey, nice to know that your completely ok with fucking kids from 14 to 17 because they are not "prepubescent children", just because "in some shithole is legal to fuck a 14 years old".
You fuck off with that shit... don't you have family you sick fuck?, what would you think if some 25 years old rapes your 14 years old brother, sister, daughter or something?... get a fuck out of here with that shit.
Lmao people fucking late teens aren't pedos you utter retard. I would not decline prime jb. By that age they already fucked older dudes anyways. 14 year olds in my class 13 years ago fucked guys just because they had a car. They're already whores at that age.
It’s because they’re coombrains who hate women, honestly more than TheImp1. He hates women who hate men, these guys just see women as disposable delights to make them coom. If they don’t see the importance of protecting young children (yes, they are young even if they are trying to fuck people you ignorant fools) over letting them fuck women who look like the girls who turned them down in middle/high school, there’s not much that you or I can say to convince them.
But is completely fine for people that age to fuck each other right? If you mean nobody should have sex until 18 then fair play. But if you're all for people that age to fuck each other then you can fuck off right off here with your double standards.
Also, why do you guys think its perfectly fine for 50 year olds to fuck 18 year olds but 25 year olds cant fuck 14 year olds?
But hey, nice to know that your completely ok with fucking kids from 14 to 18 because they are not "prepubescent children", just because "in some shithole is legal to fuck a 14 years old".
Rape is not the word but if she's interested and that man wanted to marry her and he won't divorce for later then that's fine by me.
I didn't say anything about minors doing stupid shit, if people didn't educated those kids in the right way, is not my problem... but that doesn't give adults the right to abuse them... adults should know what are the consequences of minors being involved in sexual activities and how those things affects them for the rest of their lives.
It's all about a safe key, don't talk shit about "50 years old that but 25 years old the other"... that is not argument and is a false dichotomy... when they reach 18, generally they already have an understending about consenting and what it means to have sex (good education is part of that)... when they are 14, even if they have desires and urges, they don't understand shit about almost anything... when the years pass, and they reach 18, they have a general idea about how shit works, even if they don't have real experience.
Again, a lot of minors want many things at that age, that doesn't mean it should be allowed to happen... that's why there's a safe key... and is 18 years old, is 18 because of the body and is because of average understanding of actions and consequences when they become young adults.
It has nothing to do with marriage, interest or any other shit... with that logic, having 9 years old wifes in some middle eastern shithole is ok because it's legal to marry them... even worse , under that logic... if a child becomes interested in gay sex or any kind of sex because they are being groomed, once you already allowed "interest" being a safe key to pedophiles... how are you going to stop them from arguing "the kid was interesed" when they get caught?... "hey, is legal to fuck that 14 years old over there because the kid was interest and is legal to marry them... well, the kid i just fucked was interesed, i would marry this kid now, and they want to marry me"... and there you go, pedos have a new free way to legally groom children and abuse them.
Do you approve of people less than 18 years old having sex with each other ? If you do then arguing with you is pointless since you aren't going change your view and have double standards instead.
If you don't then again, fair argument. Is your argument that nobody should have sex until they're 18, and that until they are 18 they should maybe be educated about it?
And why 18 specifically? It has no scientific meaning. No scientist said that people less than 18 are incapable to think about sex. That's why the age of consent is not 18 in most places but 16.
With marriage at least the parents know and every parent I know wouldn't allow it anyway if the age gap was too large. Also, when I say marriage, I mean no premarital sex which I think you got wrong.
Goes on with a lot of teenagers being pregnant from dudes twice their age, and becoming single mothers... that's becomes a problem of generations growing up in disfunctional homes... and lowering that child oportunnity to become the best version they could be.
Ask your self why the U.S has become such a shithole full of psyschotic people and why the rest of the world is going for the same path?... and even more... ask yourself why countries that are already shitholes can't get out of that shit?.
It doesn't goes on as normal... there's a reason why two consenting adults can make a good family, raise their children right, and make them become a good asset of their communities... strong families are the heart of great nations.
Keeping with this shit of decriminalizing sex with minors in this ultra oversexualized society we have is not a good thing... it already affected the entire west with entire generations being fucked up in their minds... that's why i talk about that 18 is a good safety key, especially for females. (even if culture is transforming them in retarded bitches).
Just because something is legal, it doesn't mean is morally right.
Who is a "pedo" to you? Someone that is interested in prepubescent children? Or someone who is interested in someone under 18?
If its the former then I might agree. But if its the latter then you can fuck off and the mod did the right thing in removing your comment.
Yes.
IIRC the original post was just about research of anyone with "pedophile-like" urges and didn't specify the age or that there had to be a crime involved. Judging by the other comments it looks like u/MK-13 was specifically talking about someone who actually abused minors.
I think we all agree that pedophiles need to at least be isolated and kept away from children. If you have to cull them then so be it, but castration should be enough. Not "chemical castration"... what is even the point of that? Real castration has been used forever and is perfectly humane. Or turn them into eunuchs.
Maturity is related to society. In a society where responsibility comes early, and is supported by society, the age where adulthood is reached may be different.
For example, the legal drinking age is 18 in Canada, but 21 in the US. But in some states you can get learning driving licenses at 14, whereas you have to be 16 in Canada. So I think that's kinda arbitrary, and also both alternative measures of "age or responsibility."
Biologically, 16 years old is usually old enough. I say this as a woman. Is 18 years old old enough emotionally? For some, no. I definitely had a lot more maturing to do between 18 and 22. But I believe this is related to societial pressures and personal experiences.
Someone who assumed someone was 18 when they were 16 is not the same as someone who is interested in prepubescent girls.
I personally am comfortable with 18 as the cutoff age. However, I think there should be increased punishment (minimum time) for grooming, prepubescent molestation, and repeat offenders. I think 6 months imprisonment (refer to my comment above) is a fine sentence for mistaking a 16 year old for an 18 year old. But repeat offenders, young victims, and grooming should require much more time.
I have no problem with your argument if you don't have double standards like MK-13. According to you, is there a problem with lets say, a 12 year old fucking a 13 year old?
MGTOW PEDERAST.
I had to check what "pederast" means.
Response: Lol go live in your bubble retard. The scientific term for "pedophilia" is being interested in prepubescent children, and I have a problem with that. I said if the person they're interested in was 14 for example (which is legal in some places in the west), then they aren't pedo's. The scientific term in "hebephilia".
And I hate faggots with a passon.
Someone that abuse or rapes a minor... the 18 is pretty safe key, that's why is there... the main reason is because in average, most teenagers end up that stage of their life at that age.
So it makes perfect sense to protect children, pre-adolescents, adolescents/teenagers until that age. (not everybody is the same, but is a really good safe key)
But hey, nice to know that your completely ok with fucking kids from 14 to 17 because they are not "prepubescent children", just because "in some shithole is legal to fuck a 14 years old".
You fuck off with that shit... don't you have family you sick fuck?, what would you think if some 25 years old rapes your 14 years old brother, sister, daughter or something?... get a fuck out of here with that shit.
Lmao people fucking late teens aren't pedos you utter retard. I would not decline prime jb. By that age they already fucked older dudes anyways. 14 year olds in my class 13 years ago fucked guys just because they had a car. They're already whores at that age.
Yeah right? This guy is deluded
Great argument, shit is fucked up, so let legalize people abuse 13 years old because they were "whores", same with boys being abused.
Don't try to fix it, don't have any kind of morals, don't do anything
No, let's just say "haha", "fucking whores" "retarded".
Shithead.
It’s because they’re coombrains who hate women, honestly more than TheImp1. He hates women who hate men, these guys just see women as disposable delights to make them coom. If they don’t see the importance of protecting young children (yes, they are young even if they are trying to fuck people you ignorant fools) over letting them fuck women who look like the girls who turned them down in middle/high school, there’s not much that you or I can say to convince them.
Jesus save us, modernity has failed us.
But is completely fine for people that age to fuck each other right? If you mean nobody should have sex until 18 then fair play. But if you're all for people that age to fuck each other then you can fuck off right off here with your double standards.
Also, why do you guys think its perfectly fine for 50 year olds to fuck 18 year olds but 25 year olds cant fuck 14 year olds?
Rape is not the word but if she's interested and that man wanted to marry her and he won't divorce for later then that's fine by me.
I didn't say anything about minors doing stupid shit, if people didn't educated those kids in the right way, is not my problem... but that doesn't give adults the right to abuse them... adults should know what are the consequences of minors being involved in sexual activities and how those things affects them for the rest of their lives.
It's all about a safe key, don't talk shit about "50 years old that but 25 years old the other"... that is not argument and is a false dichotomy... when they reach 18, generally they already have an understending about consenting and what it means to have sex (good education is part of that)... when they are 14, even if they have desires and urges, they don't understand shit about almost anything... when the years pass, and they reach 18, they have a general idea about how shit works, even if they don't have real experience.
Again, a lot of minors want many things at that age, that doesn't mean it should be allowed to happen... that's why there's a safe key... and is 18 years old, is 18 because of the body and is because of average understanding of actions and consequences when they become young adults.
It has nothing to do with marriage, interest or any other shit... with that logic, having 9 years old wifes in some middle eastern shithole is ok because it's legal to marry them... even worse , under that logic... if a child becomes interested in gay sex or any kind of sex because they are being groomed, once you already allowed "interest" being a safe key to pedophiles... how are you going to stop them from arguing "the kid was interesed" when they get caught?... "hey, is legal to fuck that 14 years old over there because the kid was interest and is legal to marry them... well, the kid i just fucked was interesed, i would marry this kid now, and they want to marry me"... and there you go, pedos have a new free way to legally groom children and abuse them.
Seriously, wtf is wrong with you?
You still didn't answer my question.
Do you approve of people less than 18 years old having sex with each other ? If you do then arguing with you is pointless since you aren't going change your view and have double standards instead.
If you don't then again, fair argument. Is your argument that nobody should have sex until they're 18, and that until they are 18 they should maybe be educated about it?
And why 18 specifically? It has no scientific meaning. No scientist said that people less than 18 are incapable to think about sex. That's why the age of consent is not 18 in most places but 16.
With marriage at least the parents know and every parent I know wouldn't allow it anyway if the age gap was too large. Also, when I say marriage, I mean no premarital sex which I think you got wrong.
I guess Yemen is your guiding light.
Goes on with a lot of teenagers being pregnant from dudes twice their age, and becoming single mothers... that's becomes a problem of generations growing up in disfunctional homes... and lowering that child oportunnity to become the best version they could be.
Ask your self why the U.S has become such a shithole full of psyschotic people and why the rest of the world is going for the same path?... and even more... ask yourself why countries that are already shitholes can't get out of that shit?.
It doesn't goes on as normal... there's a reason why two consenting adults can make a good family, raise their children right, and make them become a good asset of their communities... strong families are the heart of great nations.
Keeping with this shit of decriminalizing sex with minors in this ultra oversexualized society we have is not a good thing... it already affected the entire west with entire generations being fucked up in their minds... that's why i talk about that 18 is a good safety key, especially for females. (even if culture is transforming them in retarded bitches).
Just because something is legal, it doesn't mean is morally right.