That would be one thing, if Star Trek would just go out of their way to admit that ALIENS ARE NOT HUMANS WITH FUNNY SKINS.
Jesus christ, if there is any kind of "alien coverup", it's because the government would know damn well that even the most dedicated ufo cultists and sci-fi gamers would lose their fucking nuts if "muh aliens" turned out to look more bestial than humany.
Years ago I decided to watch the old Star Trek series to see what it was like. Half the time I couldn't tell who the Klingon was in the room by face alone.
And that acting...especially in the first season...I almost shut it off multiple times.
Ronald D Moore created the Klingons everyone knows and loves, along with their warrior culture. The TOS Klingons were just random baddies that could be swapped out with the Romulans and nobody would notice.
the government would know damn well that even the most dedicated UFO cultists and sci-fi gamers would lose their fucking nuts
That was exactly the allegation in the book by John Lear claiming secret alien visitations with the government - that there are multiple species so disgusting or disturbing to human sensibilities, that people would think they are demons and monsters or in some cases puke if they saw them. (not that I believe it, but those kinds of books are fun to read)
And you’ve been to how many other planets in the universe to make such a claim? Sorry Aliens and life in the universe has always been a fascinating topic.
The earliest evidence of life on Earth dates back more than four billion years, almost to the genesis of the planet. As far as the prospect of finding life on other planets, that's actually quite promising: It's probably happened more than once in our solar system.
But here's the thing: if there was life on Mars, it's not there now. If there was life on Venus, it's not there now. We're not just looking for extraterrestrial life: We're looking for sentient,intelligent extraterrestrial life.
We live on a perfect planet in a perfect orbit around a perfect sun. If our sun were a red dwarf star,like 85% of the stars in the galaxy, life would probably never have begun here, because red dwarves don't produce enough UV radiation to kick-start organic chemistry, and most of them are flare stars, prone to wild variations in luminosity and heat. If our sun suddenly got twice as hot and twice as bright and stayed that way for several hours, we'd be fucked. If it did that every couple of months, at completely random, unpredictable intervals, there would be no stable environment on any planet in the solar system.
If our sun were in a binary or trinary star system, like most of the stars in the galaxy are, then our orbit would be wobbly and uneven, which would also create an unstable climate and water cycle, and life would have trouble holding on. If the sun were a lot hotter and brighter than it is, an A-Type or B or O-Type star, then it would have gone nova along ago and we wouldn't be here.
If our solar system were closer to the center of the galaxy than it is, closer to a black hole or a gamma ray burster or a superluminous star, or even just in a denser stellar neighbourhood, then we probably wouldn't be here.
And then there's all the shit flying around. If we didn't have Jupiter in the outer solar system, with its huge gravity eating up all the rocks careening around that what to come crashing into us, we probably wouldn't be here. The likelihood of a planet the size of Jupiter forming around a star the size of our sun is about 1 in 26.
And yet, even here, on this perfect planet in its perfect orbit around a perfect star, in a relatively quiet corner of a relatively stable galaxy, it has still taken a third of the age of the universe for those first organisms to develop to the stage that we're at now, and there's no evidence that it happened earlier.
I'm not saying it's impossible for it to have happened anywhere else, but if it has, it's almost certainly so rare, and so far away, that we will never meet them. We are, for all practical purposes, alone. And we always will be.
Plus the sun is part of the first generation of stars formed with a protoplanetary disk metal-heavy enough for terrestrial worlds with sufficient heavy elements to support life to form. And if you take the "any interstellar alien life would eventually spread to all stars in the galaxy (and beyond)" as a given this puts a huge selection bias in place because any intelligent life to form must be among the firstborn because there will not be any latterborn because the firstborns will put a dyson sphere around their star before they can emerge.
I'm with you on the interplanetary pit stop thing. But not thinking intelligent life exists anywhere else is kind of a scary thought. Unless FTL travel is possible and we're meant to conquer the universe.
FTL travel would violate fundamental laws of physics, so it's probably not possible no matter how advanced our technology becomes.
If we eventually end up replacing ourselves with sentient machines, it's conceivable that they could construct an interstellar civilization, as traveling for a few decades or even centuries would probably not be too onerous from their perspective, but even that I think is a bit far fetched.
You don't need FTL travel, thanks to time dilation. You just need to approach the speed of light., even 0.8c would turn a 20 ly journey into a 15 year journey. Of course such tech is still well into the realm of Scifi.
If Aliens do exist, and they have technology that allows them to somehow warp space time to travel faster than light, I highly doubt they would be interested in earth.
Buh buh but..... I watched ancient aliens.... apparently every alien species ever has been here a billion times over and did like literally everything here ever?!
That would be one thing, if Star Trek would just go out of their way to admit that ALIENS ARE NOT HUMANS WITH FUNNY SKINS.
Jesus christ, if there is any kind of "alien coverup", it's because the government would know damn well that even the most dedicated ufo cultists and sci-fi gamers would lose their fucking nuts if "muh aliens" turned out to look more bestial than humany.
Years ago I decided to watch the old Star Trek series to see what it was like. Half the time I couldn't tell who the Klingon was in the room by face alone.
And that acting...especially in the first season...I almost shut it off multiple times.
Ronald D Moore created the Klingons everyone knows and loves, along with their warrior culture. The TOS Klingons were just random baddies that could be swapped out with the Romulans and nobody would notice.
Still, Kirk >>> Picard.
Yeah, it was cold war era, and they were analogous to Russian spies.
The TNG Klingons represented more Mongolian warrior culture.
They later retconned a story behind the change. Same with the remodeled bald Klingons in Discovery .. they got retconned too.
That was exactly the allegation in the book by John Lear claiming secret alien visitations with the government - that there are multiple species so disgusting or disturbing to human sensibilities, that people would think they are demons and monsters or in some cases puke if they saw them. (not that I believe it, but those kinds of books are fun to read)
I would imagine that yo be the case
There are no aliens. The Earth is not an interplanetary pit stop for extraterrestrial voyeurs or conquerors, and they probably don't even exist.
The only technologically advanced life, in the galaxy, at this time... very probably.
Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of planets that host complex multi-cell organisms, and potentially millions that host micro organisms.
But Earth had complex life for well over a billion years without fostering an intellect arms race.
And you’ve been to how many other planets in the universe to make such a claim? Sorry Aliens and life in the universe has always been a fascinating topic.
The earliest evidence of life on Earth dates back more than four billion years, almost to the genesis of the planet. As far as the prospect of finding life on other planets, that's actually quite promising: It's probably happened more than once in our solar system.
But here's the thing: if there was life on Mars, it's not there now. If there was life on Venus, it's not there now. We're not just looking for extraterrestrial life: We're looking for sentient,intelligent extraterrestrial life.
We live on a perfect planet in a perfect orbit around a perfect sun. If our sun were a red dwarf star,like 85% of the stars in the galaxy, life would probably never have begun here, because red dwarves don't produce enough UV radiation to kick-start organic chemistry, and most of them are flare stars, prone to wild variations in luminosity and heat. If our sun suddenly got twice as hot and twice as bright and stayed that way for several hours, we'd be fucked. If it did that every couple of months, at completely random, unpredictable intervals, there would be no stable environment on any planet in the solar system.
If our sun were in a binary or trinary star system, like most of the stars in the galaxy are, then our orbit would be wobbly and uneven, which would also create an unstable climate and water cycle, and life would have trouble holding on. If the sun were a lot hotter and brighter than it is, an A-Type or B or O-Type star, then it would have gone nova along ago and we wouldn't be here.
If our solar system were closer to the center of the galaxy than it is, closer to a black hole or a gamma ray burster or a superluminous star, or even just in a denser stellar neighbourhood, then we probably wouldn't be here.
And then there's all the shit flying around. If we didn't have Jupiter in the outer solar system, with its huge gravity eating up all the rocks careening around that what to come crashing into us, we probably wouldn't be here. The likelihood of a planet the size of Jupiter forming around a star the size of our sun is about 1 in 26.
And yet, even here, on this perfect planet in its perfect orbit around a perfect star, in a relatively quiet corner of a relatively stable galaxy, it has still taken a third of the age of the universe for those first organisms to develop to the stage that we're at now, and there's no evidence that it happened earlier.
I'm not saying it's impossible for it to have happened anywhere else, but if it has, it's almost certainly so rare, and so far away, that we will never meet them. We are, for all practical purposes, alone. And we always will be.
I mean I’d be happy to find fossils on Mars. Unless we stumble across warp technology in my lifetime I’m gonna have to hope for that.
Plus the sun is part of the first generation of stars formed with a protoplanetary disk metal-heavy enough for terrestrial worlds with sufficient heavy elements to support life to form. And if you take the "any interstellar alien life would eventually spread to all stars in the galaxy (and beyond)" as a given this puts a huge selection bias in place because any intelligent life to form must be among the firstborn because there will not be any latterborn because the firstborns will put a dyson sphere around their star before they can emerge.
I'm with you on the interplanetary pit stop thing. But not thinking intelligent life exists anywhere else is kind of a scary thought. Unless FTL travel is possible and we're meant to conquer the universe.
We'll never conquer the universe. Most people can't even control themselves.
FTL travel would violate fundamental laws of physics, so it's probably not possible no matter how advanced our technology becomes.
If we eventually end up replacing ourselves with sentient machines, it's conceivable that they could construct an interstellar civilization, as traveling for a few decades or even centuries would probably not be too onerous from their perspective, but even that I think is a bit far fetched.
You don't need FTL travel, thanks to time dilation. You just need to approach the speed of light., even 0.8c would turn a 20 ly journey into a 15 year journey. Of course such tech is still well into the realm of Scifi.
If Aliens do exist, and they have technology that allows them to somehow warp space time to travel faster than light, I highly doubt they would be interested in earth.
Buh buh but..... I watched ancient aliens.... apparently every alien species ever has been here a billion times over and did like literally everything here ever?!