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Wheel of Time - if you want a faithful adaptaion, then you are intolerant, appaling, disturbing, disgusting etc. (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
posted 4 years ago by wotfan 4 years ago by wotfan +60 / -0
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– Shill4Hire 36 points 4 years ago +36 / -0

And here I thought witchcraft wasn't a thing, but these necromancers brought up the writer from the dead to have him dictate his preferred presentation.

I may be a shill for hire, but I'm also a creative consultant for hire. Here's a freebie, from my own witchcraft: I can see the future.

This show will fail. When it does, the people behind it will go "how could this have happened? We never saw this coming." They will then proceed to blame the audience (or the active lack of it) for the failure, not their own actions and decisions. This is set in stone, the timelines waver only insofar as a major event eliminating the airing of the show itself being able to alter this static point in history.

Someone will bring up the original vision, the original script, the original writing, the original setting, the original work, and/or the original ideas put forward, as reasons as to why the written series was successful in the first place, and that such things should be maintained in the adaptations. This someone will be berated and pilloried, a pariah, hated for they were a truthspeaker to a lord of lies.

The main people behind the abortion of a work it will be, however, have a different fate. They will walk away with their pay, far above the pay rate of the average Walmart greeter who, frankly, could have done a better job of it. And they will find another property to destroy, to continue earning their keep, rewarded for their efforts even as failure dogs their every decision, every action, every choice.

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– wotfan [S] 22 points 4 years ago +22 / -0

Hear, hear!

The showrunner stated many times that the 'books are dated' [???], so it is a must to rewrite them to the irrecognizability, because the 'modern audience' wants to watch a modernised version. They will not use Robert Jordan's story (???), his descriptions (???), his dialogues (???) etc., it will be WOT in name only.

'They will walk away with their pay, far above the pay rate of the average Walmart greeter who, frankly, could have done a better job of it. And they will find another property to destroy, to continue earning their keep, rewarded for their efforts even as failure dogs their every decision, every action, every choice.'

Perfect conclusion. Sadly.

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– Smith1980 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

He also said it’s a story about Moraine.

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– wotfan [S] 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

He (or rather she) said many 'interesting' things. He (or rather she) is such a big 'fan' that he doesn't know basic things about the series...

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– Smith1980 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Exactly. But we are the bad ones for respecting source material

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– GeneralBoobs 26 points 4 years ago +26 / -0

Progressives are the end of civilization. This bitch probably closes her eyes with smug even as she tweets.

"Look, we have the permission and support of the people who claim they know better than the actual evidence. That's reality, and it's what we make it."

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– BidenLikesMiners 15 points 4 years ago +15 / -0

Call them what they are. This isnt progressivism, its maoists with a different title. The cultural revolution is here, its queer. and apparently most of them are highly illiterate too.

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– NoGardE 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

Maoism is descended from Progressivism. The Progressive Theory of History is from Hegel. Maoist is definitely more specific, though.

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– wotfan [S] 24 points 4 years ago +24 / -0

Robert Jordan's casting choices:

Rand: a young Ben Affleck

Mat: James Garner at age 21

Perrin: a young Val Kilmer

Egwene: Audrey Hepburn at age 18

Nynaeve: a young Jacqueline Bisset

Aviendha: a young Sophia Loren

Elayne: Nicole Kidman at age 18

Min: Isabella Rossellini

Tuon: Halle Berry

Moiraine: Hedy Lamarr

Lan: Liam Neeson in one of his craggier roles

Birgitte: Lucy Lawless of Xena

Faile: Cher at age 19

Thom: Patrick Stewart with hair

Verin: a young Margaret Rutherford

Siuan (after stilling): Renee Zellweger (before appearance change)

Gareth Bryne: a combination Charlton Heston and John Wayne

Morgase: Michelle Pfeiffer

Berelain: Isabelle Adjani

Padan Fain: Alan Rickman

Semirhage: Naomi Campbell or Tyra Banks

Demandred: Omar Sharif

Lanfear: a younger Catherine Deneuve

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– Smith1980 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Pointing that out is racist.

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– acp_k2win 24 points 4 years ago +24 / -0

Receptionist: How do you write women so well?

Melvin Udall: I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.

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– wotfan [S] 24 points 4 years ago +24 / -0

'Egwene's cheeks turning pink'

'[Egwene's] face went as white as snow'

'to hide her [Egwene's] crimson face'

'For some reason, Elisa's [Egwene's sister] face turned bright red. Very bright red.'

'Her [Egwene's] face was still red, yet already it looked… Not until she was sure that her face was no longer red. There seemed a strong resemblance between her bottom and a blazing fireplace right at that moment. Yet looking into the mirror, she saw an unruffled face. Red-cheeked, but calm.'

'Now, except for her [Egwene's] big dark eyes, she could almost have passed as an Aiel woman, and not only for her tanned face and hands.'

'Elayne knew her cheeks were red', 'reddened her [Elayne's] cheeks', 'Elayne's face went crimson'

'if Elayne blushed like a sunset, Nynaeve blushed for two'

'Nynaeve said in a stiff voice. The red still colored her face.'

'Spots of color blooming in Nynaeve’s cheeks told him he had hit the mark squarely.'

'Nynaeve’s deep brown eyes stared through her. Her knuckles were white on a thick braid as dark as Birgitte’s was golden, and her face had gone beyond pale to a faint green.'

'Nynaeve's face went white.'

'Slowly Nynaeve’s face turned purple'

'Nynaeve’s face flashed pure scarlet'

'Nynaeve's face had gone white'

'Nynaeve's face was a white mask of determination'

'Nynaeve's face paled for a moment'

'Nynaeve's face went white'

'That insufferable smile slid greasily off Nynaeve's face, replaced by bright spots of color in her cheeks.'

'Nynaeve went pale'

'Faile red-cheeked', 'face went bright red'

'Berelain's face went white and red'

'Perrin blushed very red'

'Mat and Perrin, with their faces white'

'Mat's face paled', 'Mat's face reddened'

'Startled, he [Perrin] stared at her, then at his own bare chest. It was a mass of color, the newer, purple blotches overlaying older ones faded into shades of brown and yellow. The purple splotches faded to brown, and the brown and yellow paled, some disappearing altogether.'

'She said he [Perrin] looked like death on a winter morning' 'The gray-haired Cairhienin and the young Mayener [who is white] wore faces like death' [death was white in the paintings etc]

'Cenn's face went red as a beet'

'Siuan half-raised a hand to her throat; a tiny line of red on the fair skin marked where his blade had rested.'

'The redness spread to cover nearly Siuan’s whole face; with her fair skin, it made her look like a sunset.'

'A pinkness in her [Siuan's] cheeks gave her away, though.'

(Elayne blushed like a sunset, Nynaeve blushed for two; Nynaeve’s face as it reddened to shame two sunsets. Maybe three; Ten sunsets would not have done for Mat's face; Fiery sunsets paled beside Aviendha’s face; Reanne blushed a sunset [Reanne swayed, white-faced])

'Nynaeve saw faces as pale as that of any Andorman [main characters are from Andor] and as dark as that of any of the Sea Folk.'

'Swallowing, she [Aviendha] turned back more swiftly than she had turned away. She thought her cheeks must be greener than Nynaeve’s had been.'

'This far north in Altara, they were fair rather than olive-complected, and some even had blue eyes, but all stumbled along in a daze.'

Pedron Niall: 'A gray-eyed youth with reddish hair. He looked tall, but it was hard to say for certain. Aside from the hair and the eyes, he could have been set down in any town without exciting comment.'

Edorion who is described as pink-cheeked and plump (Mat's pov, Rand's pov), then he still pink-cheeked but not quite so plump as he had been (Rand's pov), then he became harder and sun-dark since coming north (Mat's pov), and according to Tuon Edorion is a dark, lean man.

porcelain in WOT: white, green, blue, yellow, red, golden, silver (+ glazed)

'Berelain spoke with a porcelain-faced'

"A sister has to trust her Warder's judgment sometimes," Nynaeve said coolly, drawing on her gloves. Her [Nynaeve's] face belonged on a porcelain doll for all the emotion it displayed.

Her [Lelaine - The most ashen faces belonged to the three who had dared sit in a rebel Hall for the now-dissolved Blue. / Lelaine’s face paled with fury. / Lelaine’s face paled differently.] face might have been cast in porcelain.

'She [Tuon] looked like a doll made of black porcelain' [Mat's POV] 'Tuon looked up at him through her eyelashes, a black porcelain doll' [Mat's POV]

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– Isolated_Patriot 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

On the other hand: The only way they could ever do a "faithful" rendition would be a twenty minute GOT-like intro that previews the stitching of every dress that will be worn in the current episode.

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– wotfan [S] 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

:)

Why do we need an adaptation at all? People cannot read anymore? (Many don't, I know.) Even without the rewriting, cramming 10-15 (or more) chapters into 55-60 minutes is insane. It's like cutting down Fellowship from 178 minutes to 90 minutes or less, and what will happen to the even thicker books? WOT is unfilmable, and that's it.

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– Isolated_Patriot 7 points 4 years ago +7 / -0

WOT is unfilmable, and that's it.

Agreed, but that's pretty much true of all (decent) books, and quadruplely so in the current clown world. Some books are simple enough they can make the transition. Even LOTR, which was lightning in a bottle never-going-to-happen-again-couldn't-even-get-the-Hobbit-right had a large number of inconsistencies, and we are damn lucky the xena-warrior-Arwen leaked and fan backlash killed in in production.

Had it been current year, they would have called the fan backlash misogynist and hatefull and proceeded to cast half the elves as black and make all the Dwarves gay, while replacing Frodo with Arwen as the main character.

But even what we did get is never going to happen again for any property on earth. GOT almost had it, because the books are so light fantasy as to be practically non-fantasy, and 80% dialogue 20% sex was so braindead easy to translate to the screen it worked up until they got ahead of the author, because only an idiot would start a series based on an unfinished work.

Someone with dollar signs for eyes keeps thinking they are going to replicate those two successes without understanding anything about what actually made them work. Sticking pretty damn close to the source material come hell or high water is what made them successful, until they didn't and it all came crashing down.

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– wotfan [S] 6 points 4 years ago +6 / -0

Agree.

(The Dirty Dozen is rare exception too, and Tarantino comes to my mind, who said that TDD would be unfilmable today because the lack of masculinity in today's actors.)

(I don't watch barely anything from the last two decades, the movie industry died around LOTR, and tv series = soap operas are just a waste of time.)

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– wotfan [S] 20 points 4 years ago +20 / -0

A great comment by Pavelov:

'Well, this kind of comment makes me recognize how really really poor the average persons reading comprehension is. I'll spare all the more difficult to grasp, and arguably ambiguous parts, and quote a line most people should be able to follow.

"She [Egwene] wore red wildroses twined in her hair, flowing about her shoulders. She held her cloak close, dark blue and embroidered along the edge with a thin line of white flowers in the Shienaran fashion, and the blossoms made a line straight up to her face. They were no paler than her cheeks; her eyes seemed so large and dark."'

And there are many more really subtle remark in the books just like this one above.

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– NoticeThingsBAD 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

I can't wait for this flaming pile of woke trash to fail.

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– wotfan [S] 13 points 4 years ago +13 / -0

I bet Amazon will say that WOT is breaking records in the whole Solar System (just any show in these days), but Amazon, Netflix etc never release any exact data about their shows. Never. And their woke shows (do they make anything else?) always fail/flop.

It will be a bad memory/dream by 2025, and it will be completely forgotten by 2030.

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– barwhack 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

Ramping up the repulsion field surrounding her project... I can feel the push to not watch from here. I think I will comply.

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– wotfan [S] 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

One more thing: about the characters being Asians: the first time Jordan uses the expression 'slanted eyes' is in Book 2, ch. 18., so ...

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– Smith1980 5 points 4 years ago +5 / -0

Isn’t this one of the phases of geeker gate? Create a victim? I’m tired of people who actually read the books getting crapped on for wanting a faithful adaptation. Seems to happen so often now.

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– deleted 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0
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– realerfunction 4 points 4 years ago +4 / -0

adapt faithfully or not at all. it isn't yours to change.

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– zakat 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

I just hope they stay away from Feist's Midkemia.
My favourite childhood books in the fantasy genre.

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– BidenLikesMiners 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

Plenty of women are based. youre looking at the 'twitterehoe' subset/

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– cartoonericroberts 3 points 4 years ago +3 / -0

looooooooool

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– wotfan [S] 9 points 4 years ago +9 / -0

They behavior is disgusting, not ours.

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– wotfan [S] 11 points 4 years ago +11 / -0

Exactly!

I don't know, I see a PATTERN in Robert Jordan's casting choices, and I see an identical PATTERN in the text: the main cast is WHITE.

Many readers do not understand that Elaida was wrong when she said what she said in TEOTW. There's a similar mistake in 'black-eyed Aielmen', many characters in the books really believe this statement (which is untrue), but many readers do not care the description of the characters, according to them everybody is black, except in Andor, but many readers say nowadays that even that's not true, because there are maybe a dozen (or rather a half-dozen) white people in Randland, and everybody else is black. I think Robert Jordan (and Tolkien, and GRRM etc) himself will be described as a black lesbian (what is the latest fashion, nonbinary or what?) in a few months/years.

(By the way, see the case of Rowling vs HP fansites from last year: 'Two of the biggest Harry Potter fan sites remove photos of JK Rowling and links to her website because of her 'harmful and disproven beliefs' amid 'transphobia' row. The Leaky Cauldron and Mugglenet, who have 1 million followers, have issued a joint statement distancing themselves from the Harry Potter author')

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